Keke Wyatt Ain’t No Soul Sista

By Nia B

In 2001, when we first heard the sultry voice of Ketara “KeKe” Wyatt on the ‘80s remake of “My First Love” with R&B artist Avant, no one would have ever guessed she was only 19 years old. A young woman with the sound of a seasoned songstress, it was only a matter of time before she dropped her first album and made a name for herself in the world of R&B.

After a domestic dispute with her husband and manager during Christmas of 2002, many thought her musical career would suffer when the news surfaced, and rumors spawn out of control. Although charges were never brought against KeKe, she didn’t let the incident stifle her progress. She continued to pursue her career by signing with Cash Money Records in 2004. However, after two years she felt like her project wasn’t being pushed with the energy needed for personal satisfaction and ended up leaving the Hip-Hop based label.

Now, three years later, KeKe Wyatt is back and feeling better than ever with a new album dropping this fall. While many wonder what really happened on that Christmas day back in ’02, KeKe scratches the surface on the incident, talks about her place at TVT Records, and why she believes she’s sings better than Beyoncè. Yes, you read that right…Beyoncè Knowles!

AllHipHop.com Alternatives: You were originally, a part of the group Girls Tyme, which eventually went on to become Destiny’s Child, correct?

KeKe Wyatt: That was years, and years, and years ago. Well during that time, we weren’t called that. We were called, The Dollz. It was set up by Janice Cummings, but I decided that I wanted to be a solo artist.

AHHA: How long were you in the group?

KeKe: Not for very long. I grew up around boys, so girls just really weren’t my thing, because they have their own way of thinking and feeling that are so different from my own. So I just prefer to not be around. I just do the “me” thing, and I can get on my own nerves sometimes.

AHHA: So being in an all girls group just wasn’t your thing?

KeKe: Nope, it’s not my thing. It’s not to say that I can’t hang out with them, but when working with them, everyone wants to be the star and it’s every woman for herself. It just wasn’t for me.

AHHA: Where there any particular girls in the group you didn’t get along with?

KeKe: No, I just wanted to be solo.

AHHA: When you were in Girls Tyme, was Beyoncè in the group?

KeKe: No. She wasn’t there yet. If you notice, I’m yellow. My natural hair is the color she dyes her hair. I have the little waist with the big booty. It’s all the same thing but I sing better, so [it was their loss]. Say I don’t [sing better than Beyonce].

AHHA: You have a soulful edge, she has a more of a R&B pop edge.

KeKe: I mean, I can do all of that too, but that ain’t me. I can do gospel, R&B, pop, country, opera. I can do it all, but this is what I prefer to do right now in my life.

AHHA: That’s totally understandable, you two are two different artists. At the end of the day, I’m an old soul. I would probably pick up your CD if that’s what I’m feeling at that point in time.

KeKe: That’s how the majority of the world is which I love, so hopefully this time when people get my album they’ll be crazy for it.

AHHA: What have you been doing to maintain since your last album dropped?

KeKe: Well, I’ve been pretty much doing spot dates and touring, but I’ve just been trying to get my life together and focus. I’m learning what works best for me and not everybody else. A major hold up was with Cash Money Records. They were too slow for me. They were good don’t get me wrong, but they were too slow and eating up too much of my time. I had to leave that situation.

It just wasn’t going fast enough for me. I have no personal problems with Baby, [Lil’] Wayne, none of them. That was two years right there, so now I’m with TVT Records with Lil’ Jon, Ying Yang twins, and Pitbull. It’s a good look, because I’m their number one R&B chick, whereas everyone is else is Hip-Hop. They’re really putting all their time and effort into me which I love.

AHHA: Being an R&B artist on a Hip-Hop based label like Cash Money, did you feel that your project didn’t get as much attention because it was an R&B album?

KeKe: No, they are just super super slow and country and weren’t moving fast enough. I’m ready to be out now. Since I got with TVT things have started rolling. I’ve finished the album, we have a name – Ghetto Rose. I have a release date, September 25th. My single has just been sent off to be legalized, and it’s also called “Ghetto Rose.”

I’m on my way now to Atlanta to get fitted for a photo shoot, and then I have a video shoot the following week, so everything is in progress with them. I’m happy about that.

AHHA: Do you regret the two years you were signed with Cash Money, or was it a learning experience?

KeKe: No, I don’t regret doing it at all. There were no problems. Like I said, they are really nice guys. Everybody was still there when I was there – Juve[nile] and Mannie Fresh – and they were kind and treated me like the lady that I am. They are just super duper country and they move so slow. I need a fast pace. I’m 25.

In this industry, you can’t get old without people being like, “Oh my God, she’s getting old.” People have always thought I was older, because I carry myself more mature, especially with the songs I sing. I mean, I’ve let my hair grow out and everything. When I first came out, I had just had a baby. I’ve lost that mother-bearing weight that I had when I first came out, although people had gotten used to seeing me that way.

Instead of me putting everybody in my business and telling them the situation, I just let it go. But now, I’m back to my normal weight. I’m a size six. I’m five foot eight. So when they see me, they’re going to be like, “Oh my God! She looks different.”

AHHA: I’m glad you brought that up. You look great!

KeKe: See…you saw me and thought that? I had a lot of people see me and they were saying, “Oh that’s not her!” People would ask me what I did, and I’d just tell them I let my hair grow and lost my baby fat. I’m 5’8, so when I was heavier I was just a size 12, but you know TV adds like 10-12 pounds.

AHHA: How important is image to you?

KeKe: Image is very important, because I want to look good for myself and two, because it’s very important in this world. If somebody’s pretty, you’ll pick up a magazine just because someone is pretty. Everybody wants to emulate something. If you want it to sell, you got to be looking like something. So hey, I don’t mind being that person they want to emulate.

AHHA: How cool are you with Avant? Do you ever plan to work with him again?

KeKe: Avant and I are still cool. We’re going to go work on a duets album.

AHHA: A duet album sounds like it would be a good fit for you two.

KeKe: Avant and I are really good friends, we’ll always be friends, and we’ll always work together. Sometimes, I regret coming out with him because people are always like, “Oh, you’re the girl that came out with Avant.” Then, I’m thinking, “I have a name. My name is KeKe Wyatt.” Sometimes, I wish I had come out by myself and then came out together [with Avant] but, whatever. We had two number one hit singles, so I don’t care. Be looking out for him as well. He’s coming out again too.

AHHA: To spiral back to the incident that allegedly happened between you and your husband, I know that it’s old news per se, and whatever happened happened, but my question is how do you feel about being associated with that incident?

KeKe: I used to let it bother me, but I don’t anymore. I had to do what I had to do. I’m not a crazy person; I’m human just like everyone else. We all have problems in our relationships – I handled mine in a little awkward way. While I’ve been [moving on with my life], people think that I’ve been locked up, but I haven’t been. I can’t say I didn’t spend the night in jail, but I haven’t been in prison a day in my life, nor can I say that what you’ve read about didn’t happen either.

AHHA: I heard an interview you did with Wendy Williams a while back and I recall clearly that you denied the incident?

KeKe: I only did that because she was getting on my nerves, because they were being really rude playing sound effects while I was talking like I was retarded. At that point, I decided not to give any information because I felt so disrespected. You don’t disrespect people and think that they’re going to give you answers.

So I was like, nope, believe whatever you want to believe. She’s very rude. The questions that I was being asked were a little offensive, so I was trying to think about what I wanted to say to this woman so that I wouldn’t clock out on her and catch another case. Meanwhile, the dude kept pressing the crickets button so I was just like, “Oh, okay!” and denied everything. I was like take this: I’m going to write a book and let everybody read about it.

I’m calm and collected, but don’t play with me. She likes to try people, and I’m not the one for trying, as you can see. I’m nice, I’m cool, I’m collected, but don’t play with me.

AHHA: How do you think being attached to that has affected your career though?

KeKe: Actually, I hated the way that people thought of me for a while, but once I saw how many records I was starting to sell, I was like screw it. Think what you want to think! I guess women could relate to what I was saying. I don’t promote violence, but I will say stand up for you, and don’t let any man run over you. I come from a white woman, my face is too yellow. I can’t be walking around with no big ole’ bruise on my face.

AHHA: Let’s talk about your album. What can be expected?

KeKe: Just know that it’s hot! My favorite song is “Never Do It Again.” It’s about women messing up in a relationship. Then, I have a song that I wrote called “Travel the World,” which is about me knowing now what I know now and seeing that I could’ve done a lot of things different instead of being a fool in love.

Then you wake up and you’re like, boo, n*gga be gone. My new single is me talking to the guys saying don’t make it harder than what it already is, she’s a ghetto rose. At the same time, ladies, put some clothes on and get treated like a lady; when you look like a hoe, dress like a hoe, you’ll get treated like a hoe. My mother and I are best friends, she’s 45 and she’s always telling me if I want a man to treat me right I need to wake up and smell this coffee. I know I’m a role model, so I have to set the example, because I know that I have messed up [in the past], but I can help correct that.

AHHA: What part of your life do you feel you messed up on?

KeKe: Well, I was married at eighteen in 2000. I’m not saying that getting married young is bad, but I was a little naïve and he was nine years older than me – which is fine – but I just wish that my eyes were open a little more before I just jumped into love. I don’t want [other women] to make the same mistakes. Know the person first.

Although you never really know a person, you can still get to know them better. Go to college, give yourself a chance, and see what life has in store before you go make a big life decisions. I mean – I’m KeKe [and I’m] happy. I’m blessed. I get on my knees and tell Christ my problem and He helps me, and I want them to know that.

AHHA: Are you still married?

KeKe: I’m very happy. I won’t say yes or no.

AHHA: Well KeKe you know Allhiphop.com plays a huge role in the Hip-Hop community and on the internet. Numerous people are going to read this interview. Some remember you from working with Avant and know that you had an album out, but many people are still curious about the altercation that happened between you and your husband. This would be a perfect time to clear the air and let everybody know what really happened and what prompted you to snap off that day.

KeKe: I’m going to write a book, and I’m going to tell the whole story. And everybody will get to know. If I tell the story now, I can’t write the book. If you listen closely to my album [Ghetto Rose] you’ll hear a lot of little stuff that will make you say – Oh!

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111 Comments

  1. Everyone is talking about the interview from All Hip Hop but glossed over her ignorance and chose to only focus on her comments about her being able to sing better than Beyonce. I think her most telling thoughts are when she brings up the issue of color as if to say she is somehow above Beyonce because she feels she is lighter and has naturally blond hair. Now that I know her mama is White I can see why she felt the need to go there and though she tried to clean up her ish at the end I agree with your title, she ain’t no soul sista.

  2. Keke says she got with a Black man so her kids would be Black but I disagree. She clearly has superiority issues and got with a Black man who affirmed those feelings. I bet not a day went by that dark husband of hers didn’t tell her how beautiful her light skin and “pretty hair” was. Had she been with a White man that would not have happened as a mixed girl doesn’t trump a White girl in White culture as it does in Black culture. Among us a mixed girl is the creme de la creme and she knows that and that is why she went after Beyonce who she can’t even begin to hold a candle to. This heffa is illiterate too. She need not give another interview until she learns to half way speak proper English. That All Hip Hop Alternative interview left me dazed and confused. :lol2:

  3. She said her mother called her and her brother n–gga so many times they thought that was their name. Her mother said n–igga meant ignorant so why not just call them ignorant rather than a word associated with so much negativity? No wonder Keke is crazy in the head. According to that interview her mammy was looney too.

  4. 1st off everyone TODAY IS MY 19th B-DAY :banana: (virgo’s heyyy)

    i just wanted to let ya’ll know (THE OFFICIAL STAND UP GIRL) 😉

  5. she is one of the most ignorant black celebrities. She needs a rep. she should no longer be able to talk for herself. I nkow year olds smater than her.

    p.s sing better than beyonce :noway: . shes a :loser:

  6. Is she joking with those big lips and wide nose? someone needs to tell her she is black whether she wants to hear it or not.I also get annoyed when black :booty: people refer to themselves as indian. Indian people come from india. native american people are AFRICANS who were already on this land when that :hater: came on his ship.

  7. What an ignarant BITCH she really think that because her mother is white she’s not black. What the hell does she mean that Black people can’t help the way they look? Yes BITCH, we are beautiful. No wonder she mixed up the way she is, she was raise by an crack head, ignorant mother who did not teach her about her history. Do yourself and the Black community a favor and stay in the ghetto where you clearly come from. Better yet, please don’t reffer to your ignorant, trashy, mixed up confuse self as a Black woman, because you are clearly not. Yeah you grew your hair out with some extension idiot. Your father really did a number by picking that lady to produce with. Trash + Trash = Trash, stop hating on Beyonce at least she has talent UGLY.

  8. Prior to reading this article, and still now, I would agree that KeKe Wyatt is a better singer than Beyonce. HOWEVER, she don’t hold a candle to Beyonce’s stage presence and “It” factor, and I ain’t even a fan like that. Furthermore, the way she’s talking about being lighter and have light hair and the curvy body, makes her sound jealous of Bey. Also, I am sad to learn that she is so ignorant because previously I had liked her, and y’all are right, she ain’t no soul sister. And I too am tired of biracials hollaring about NOT being black. Do not say that you are NOT black, because you are black (in addition to maybe a few other things, but aint we all). Heck Black people are the only ones that will embrace you for being black; you won’t hear a Caucasian call you white, now will you? Embrace the blackness y’all, all of our shades are curl patterns. Furthermore, even though she says her best friends are Black Black Black, and she had kids with a black man to make black children, she contradicts herself and you understand how she really feels about us dark-skinned, wide nosed, kinky head-ed types, because she says “they can’t help it…” As if being dark-skinned, wide nosed, or kinky head-ed is less beautiful than her mixed, light self. I hope she and the other light skin, so-called good hair folks get a clue that they’re no beautiful than the rest because they may have “whiter” features. Black is beautiful.

  9. Oh goodness, I feel so out of it now. :bag: Until this article I’ve never heard of KeKe Wyatt. What song does she sing? How did I miss the story of her knifing her husband? Is this the Black man she is currently married to?

    She doesn’t look mixed at all. Nothing would make me think she is anything but all 100% black. And yes I know mixed folks come in all colors and shades.

    I have so much to say about her comments 1) WTH is up with her mom calling her names? 2) Why the comparison to Beyonce’s looks? Just focus on vocals because KeKe is not attractive IMO. 3) She doesn’t have to lay in the sun to get brown, she is brown according to the pics I’ve found of her, just a lighter shade of brown. 4) Pointy nose where? And since when does that automatically makes someone attractive? 5) She could have married a White dude but married Black so her kids could be Black? I won’t even go there KeKe! :noway: It sounds like she’s disappointed every time she looks in the mirror. Just sad.

  10. I got linked to this site after reading Keke’s article in Essence. I honestly feel sorry for her and a lot of her type, who while proclaiming their love of their “partial” blackness and black people further display their ignorance and arrogance by listing the perceived negative physical attributes that go along with being black. Keke sweety if you can read(and I doubt you can) I pray that you can and will come across these comments. You are not to be blamed for your ignorance as you are clearly COUNTRY in the worst possible way. When will blacks stop glorifying light skin and long hair. Maybe when weaves, bleaching cremes, colored contact lenses are discontinued and hooking up with a light skinned brotha or sista with “good hair” so their kids can look mixed is forbidden which would be NEVER. Its sad but we all perpetrate what our future generations will carry as their belief system. Teach our kids to respect our differences now so that another ignorant KEKE Wyatt while blessed with musical talent wont get the chance to be yet another embarassment to our race.

  11. ok. she didn’t speak anything other than the truth. black people feel that being mixed is superior, why else are people like beyonce and rihanna musical royalty while equaly talented kelly rowland and kelly price overlooked like last week’s stale pizza? i remember kelly being interviewed in essence saying that she came to terms with her dark beautiful skin and is loving it, and all you guys focused on was the fact that she used to wish she was lighter when she was younger. we get upset when someone dare speaks how WE personally feel. i love the fact that keke or whatever the hell her name is, is as politically incorrect as she is. personally i am tired of the fakeness of us blacks. we hate on a mixed person for now reason and try to tell them that they aren’t black enough, and hate on an educated black saying they are trying to be white. sheer ignorance. you know who made up the one drop rule? racist and supremecist whites who were hell bent on dividing and conquering and remaining “pure”. keke embraces all races but who are we to say she is black, white, or indian when she can identify with all three? she’s keke! and she obviously loves black people because she stated she wanted her children to be black, not because she wanted to “make nice”. get out of the gutter people! you guys can’t see past the things you think are racial bashing to see she is encouraging young people to embrace diversity, get educated, and be themselves. i think her problem was that she wasn’t very educated herself to begin with so she doesn’t know how to articulate herself very well. and as for her singing better than bee, yeah she does! but as someone said earlier, bee has more polish and stage presence than keke. am i think we should either drop the double standard with the n-word or cut it out all together. we as blacks need to examine ourselves and our insecurities before attacking someone else who speaks candidly about things we would rather bury under the rug. this woman obviously loves herself for all that she is, maybe us women and men of all races and ethnicities need to follow suit. thanks and have a nice day, and please take the time to read and assimilate my comment before you attack!

  12. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: She has some serious issues.

  13. :iagree: With Nameless…

    She damn sure was not educated enough as a child by her own mother, that tells alot about her. I remember when I was younger watching the movie “Roots” in School.

  14. @I’d rather remain nameless for this one>

    I read your comments and I guess it’s all about personal perception b/c I did not receive from KeKe’s comments what you did. To each their own. She did not sound like she was trying to encourage young people to embrace diversity or educate themselves. In the AHHA article, she really sounds like she is resentful of the fact that Beyonce was chosen over her in the girl group. She said she left before Beyonce came along, but I’m wondering if she was replaced by Beyonce? Just wondering.

    Keke sounds to me like another mixed-race person(black) who feels like they have been “forced” by society to classify themselves as black, but they resent it. And now that we live in a more “open-minded” society feel the need to “re-classify” themselves. And I can understand the resentment to a degree. I read a book that talked about how whites used mixed race people to be the buffer b/w them and the “negroes” in the immediate era following slavery. And how the mixed race people used that to feel superior to the ones who were “pure” black. And they persecuted them. But when the white people felt like the blacks were becoming too successful, they turned on all the blacks including the mixed ones. Because in the end, no matter how much white blood they had in them, the white people still considered them black.

    And even though we are in 2007, I feel like white people are still playing the same game with black people. They elevate biracial people(or people with more Euro features) and still use them as the “buffer” b/w them and the rest of the black community. It’s sad that the black community still allows this game to be played on them and to pit us against each other. But as long as white males control the media outlets(news, magazines, radio, etc.) they will continue to tell us what is beautiful and demand that we conform to that image if we want a piece of the economic pie they own.

    And another thing…people that are mixed with black are the only ones I’ve EVER heard of that feel the need to quantify how much black is in them. KeKe, “The truth is I’m 25 percent Black.” I have never heard a person mixed with white and asian or white and puerto rican or white and anything else other than black say, “Well, I’m only 25% white or I’m only half asian”.

    JMO

  15. I won’t stoop down to this average-looking ignorant b***** level, because what I would say might have me kicked off.

    What’s going on here first Polow this heifer? We got to do better.

  16. TinaMiranda said:
    “I won’t stoop down to this average-looking ignorant b***** level, because what I would say might have me kicked off. ”

    ———

    Please please your mind sista. Folks gotta speak up or the ignorance will just go on and on and on.

  17. I am going to go out on a limb as a first time commenter on this site and add my two cents for what its worth.

    I have never heard of KeKe Wyatt until this article. Some of the things that she said were laughable but in the end she spoke her own truth (and don’t we all). I have to agree with the person who’s post remained nameless. In my opinion we are too quick to attack people for being open about their race/ethnic background. That makes us no better than the racists when we in turn try to force a label upon someone (i.e., calling KeKe black). Taking KeKe’s comment about her dad’s racial background at face value and not going into US history just yet, he is half black and half Indian and her mom is caucasian so that does in fact make her 25% black. Where is the crime in that she identified herself in that manner? It’s the truth simply put. Many people (not just blacks) are of mixed heritage when you delve into their family history however, if it is not immediate (i.e., your mother and your father) some choose not to go into details about their background unless questioned.

    Not allowing people to identify in the way that they see fit when they are of mixed race seems to me like racism upon racism upon racism. Remember there are more boxes to check for race than ever before and we have the freedom to choose “other” if we want.

  18. No one here caller her ethnicity into question or demanded she self identify as only Black. We are all taken aback by her obvious feelings of superiority due to her lack of color. The girl has some very deep seated issues but then I am not shocked because her mother is not one of us. White women are taught to hate Black women by their Black men and when they have children they teach them that they are better than Black people, especially the girls. KeKe is just a victim of her enviorment. Color was obviously a big issue in her home and that is why SHE keeps bringing it up from interview to interview.

  19. Before complaining about her having a complex of superiority you should wake the fuck up and smell the coffee
    And how about we change this web’s name to Ligth sister? because if she would have “dissed” kelly rowland no one would bother to answer and make all of this drama but when she talks about beyonce there goes the slave mentality “Ligth is rigth” So automatically you feel dissed Give me a break
    She does sing better then beyonce if she turnes to bee’s style of music she could easily compete with her because homegirl is gettng old Hell Litlle can’t sing rihanna is competition to her watcha talking about ???? Get a diet pepsi max and breathe alrigth

    Second:Since its the first interview i read from her i can’t prononce myself but Like someone said its the way she been raised her mother is white so she migth have taught her that white,ligth skin is superior but Fuck Even today black people are perpetuating [(======= Spellcheck ] this idea don’t be mad at her she is just saying out loud what everybody think deep down i bet even beyonce feel superior to her dark skinned camarades at least keke is saying it out loud and we know what to expect from her and we know wassup

  20. Helene, you think we wouldn’t make an uproar if she talked about Kelly like she did Beyonce? Please you sound just as simple-minded as Keke. This site is not color-struck so don’t even go there. Keke was not only talking about beyonce, this is a woman that acts like she has no clue about the word ni*ger or ni*ga however you see fit to described it, (even though it’s the same thing) affect black people. This is a woman who still makes excuses for her racist mother that didn’t let her watch Roots because she wants Keke to feel that white people didn’t do anything wrong, but yet her mommy dearist still uses the N-word. This is a woman that thinks she’s something special because of her “mixed” heritage. I know she tried to clean it up when she figured she would be called out, just by reading this article and putting two and two together you Helene would of known what she is trying to do.

    Keke is not even really famous that’s why she went there about Beyonce because she’s jealous. I don’t even know what the heifer sounds like so I can’t say whether she sounds better than Bee or not. Even if she does it’s obivious that no one cares and maybe that’s why she has so much resentment. Nobody cares if her natural hair-color is blond what’s that suppose to prove? Nothing. She’s not even pretty like Beyonce and Kelly. For those of ya’ll that think Keke is just saying how we feel, we’ll first of all ya’ll don’t know how everybody black person feels. Don’t start sterotyping because ya’ll might feel that way. I know white/mixed race is not superior. I never felt that way and never will.

    Stephanie you were right, thank you. I’m glad I let that out in a cleaner way.

  21. All I can say is I have gained insight by reading and trying to understand everyone’s comments but I guess at the end of the day (and being a 30something woman) it took a while but I have learned to shrug off things that do not directly effect me. The next president of the US will effect me not KeKe Wyatt and her views on being black (or not). It’s always interesting to read another’s point of view on race among other things. One thing will never change; we are a nation who becomes passionate, angry, excited, etc. when discussing race. My family is so mixed and we truly live as such. I feel very blessed in hindsight to have grown up like that. There were no subliminal teachings about race or shades of black. No one was ever made to feel better than the other so in turn no one acted as if they were better than the other. My sister is the lightest light with green eyes because our grandfather was half Irish and I am of a medium brown complexion. We never viewed one another as superior or inferior. We didn’t live in a bubble but it was purely leading by example. My friends whom I have known for over 20 years are all of different racial backgrounds. It gives me a better understanding of the world and other peoples feelings. No one can speak for an entire race. It’s all about the individual experience and trying to understand one another.

  22. Keke is obvously jealous of Beyonce there was no need for her to take it there with her comments and IMO she doesn’t hold a candle to Beyonce in looks or singing, her voice is nothing special sounds like a typical R n B singer. As for her comments on race she sounds really ignorant ” I made my children black” and I could easily have had white looking children or something to that effect she seriously got issues, and really needs to learn when to just shout up.

  23. lol! thanks to all the people who took time to read my post or delve into the issue at hand instead of making it about beyonce. and really who is to say that keke shouldn’t be upset at being forced to define herself as black? who gives a man to right to define another? you define yourself, and this girl obviously has a love for all races! take time to READ her interview!

  24. Ya know…I really dislike when people of black descent choose to separate themselves from being identified as “black” or “part black” (or worse, like Polow da Don, talk ish about black folks), yet enter a field of music dominated by blacks–record execs, producers, singers, rappers and consumers. If a person doesn’t want to be forced into that “black” box, why not sing country music, or be a classical musician? Why choose to sing the type of music that has been associated with black people for the past thirty years? If Keke, as she says in the interview, can sing all types of music, why sing r&b if you know…you’re only 25% black and seem to resent being seen as a “black” woman?

  25. I’m not even tripping off of her talking about her skin color and all that. I’m trippin off the fact that she wants me to believe that she is 25 Years old. lol Yeah right and I’m an infant!

  26. The funny thing is with all this B.S. talk about light skin and dark skin in the Black community is that when White people look at us all they see is BLACK. Do you really think that they stop and think and say this person is 20% this and 25% that, no, they don’t care. As long as you are not a W.A.S. P., they could not care less about you Black but. Keke or CACA what ever the hell her name is, you need to get yourself educated girl. You sound so freaking ignorant.

    The sad thing is the circle will continue, your mother is ignorant, you are ignorant and your kids will be ignorant. If you did not open your mouth and say that you were mix, I would not have known it. If you have to go around saying, girl just don’t bother. Oh my goodness, you are so trashy. I am sick of the music industry taking trash and trying to make them into something they are not. Trash will alway be trash no matter how well you clean it up. She’s still trash on the inside and eventually all that trash will come spilling out and showing her true nature.

    CACA, I feel sorry for you because you have this illusion that your mix race will take you places. I feel that is why you are mad at BEYONCE, because she’s 100% Black and yet here you are a mix with White and she’s more talented, popular, prettier, successful, educated and richer then you. Don’t hate on someone’s God given talent. Another thing, please stop lying about your age, you know you are not no 26. If you are it clearly shows that you have been doing way too much with your life stupid.

  27. Yes i think so and the simple minded in this entire matter is half of this website
    If that woman would have said that she sings better then kelly wich is true yall wouldnt be worked up like you are rigth now
    i’m just saying the truth and dont your ass tell me where to go or not okay? you dont know me breathe and pass
    I remenber an article saying “should beyonce be punish for being a pretty ligth skin girl”
    That already spell “ligth is superiority” to me

    Second:Yeah i’ll be jealous if i was prettier [YES SHE GORGEOUS ](compare to beyonce 32 years old washed up face) sang better
    then a girl that gets all the atention for being the first official video Heiffa i’ll be hatin because the ho placed the bar so low that i need to imitate her to be successful
    and take the risk to be called a “wannabe” she is rigth to be mad say she dont sing better then beyonce
    Give me a mofo break

    Third: altough like i said some part of the interview didnt make sens to me (beyonce’s interview are dumb and boring) she just saying it out loud and since she did we all know wassup
    intead of being hypocrite whit a fake smile talking about “maybe i’m ligth skin that’s why pople hate on me” that statement is not more ignorant than keke’s

    Fourth and final: Yeak keke is not 26 beyonce aint neither but do we complain? no! So shut it up and stop crying

    Sit around trying to act like she is the only ligth skin woman that feel superior because of her white features You gotta be drunk or some
    Tchrr heifas

  28. It is so sad that some black people still feel superior because of their mixed heritage. Even though I am not a fan of Beyonce, mostly because of her professional ethics, she is and will always be one of the most beautiful(with or without make-up) women in the world. Keke does seem to be jealous and ignornant. I’m sure she was raise to think that she is prettier than an all black girl because of her white mother and heritage. It probably makes her sick to her stomach that someone like Beyonce who has a black mother and a black(darkskinned) father could be considered and seen has more beautiful than her.

    Just a FYI, I live in Phoenix, Az and there are a lot of unattractive biracial people living in this city. Being biracial don’t automatically make you cute.

  29. Helene, you haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about. You either have chosen to only focus on those things that back up your assumption that the owners of this website are color struck, or you haven’t taken the time to read most of what I have said here. Either way, I forgive you, and ask that you read around before you start throwing around accusations. And for the record, I am a brown sista who has written a consirable amount of articles on this site and others about the colorism issue in the Black community.

    Light skin women aren’t the enemy. Ignorant azz Black men who discriminate against darker skin Black women in favor of lighter skin women are. That is why I wrote the article on Beyonce you keep talking about. Did you actually read it or did you hate the title so much you passed it on by and just assumed it was what you keep saying it is.

    As for Keke, I agree with the first poster. Keke feels superior to Beyonce because she is lighter/biracial and has “authentic” long blonde hair. Had she made these iffy comments about anyone else this article still would have been posted. Actually, I knew of the Beyonce comments days ago but decided not to post it. I was even going to do a story on Keke until I read the first part of her interview where she denied being Black. I didn’t go ahead with the post until I saw sistas on my forum discussing it.

    Either way, Brown Sista was started to give love to all Black women without discrimination- something few other sites can say they do.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackhoney/

  30. :noway:
    Not even gonna address the issue, but do want to say that most of you have made valid points. :thumbsup:

    A question though: Back in the day, were women singers (on the verge of coming out with a new record) always so catty and petty to say the type things Keke has said here? I mean, is THIS how you generate news about yourself, so that fans will welcome you back into the fold? Ridiculous! Sad. Shake my head at this. I’ve commented elsewhere, but all I said has been said here by most of you. No need to be redundant. She should just chill…let her music speak for itself.

  31. KeKe is a definite troublemaker. She’s jealous of Beyonce. B better watch her back around that ignorant half breed.

  32. Creole = a person of french descent = Beyonce’s maternal grandmother (named for House of Dereon).

    As I mentioned in a previous post many of us who are writing in are “mixed” but most of us choose not to advertise it unless it is directly our mother or father who is of a different race and if someone asks us about it.

    I think that most of us know that society judges who we are based on perception (skin color). Unless you’re part of a celebrity’s inner circle/family OR have read a personal interview with them discussing their background then how would any of us know who is of mixed descent and who cares?! Why are we always trying to box people into a category? And why do we want to call these people liars if that is what they claim to be? Tracy Ross identifies with her black mother and her Jewish father and no one ever picks on her. She is of mixed descent. I love her. No one has a right to tell these people to pick a color. That is being racist in itself.
    They have the right to embrace all sides even if they look as black as a crayon. Who cares!? And why does it effect some people to such anger?

  33. And I don’t understand why people accuse others of wanting to be black when all they want is some freaking color to their pale skin. Stop the madness.

  34. I think we’re all trying to prove a point. What’s with all of the profanity and anger? can’t we express ourselves without it? And people wonder why we’re judged.

  35. Keke’s Soul is in her voice and in her lyrics that she wrote herself about her OWN life. Keke’s soul is in her body or work. She’s not steeling pieces of other’s souls and presenting them as her own. That’s what Beyonce does.

    I can’t fault her for know how to speak her mind, Beyonce hasn’t demonstrated to this day the ability to effectively express how she feels. Keke let ya’ll know, with no sugar coating or Trying to win a popularity contest.

    Keke Wyatt is NOT fake, yall. She’s as REAL as they come.

  36. It’s come the day when people are no longer afraid to talk about that ancestry, in it’s totality – even if the general public views it in conflict with how the person is perceived or known to identify racially. I applaud her for doing so and for embracing every bit of who she is. That’s what you call self love; and the fact that she’s PROUD to be Black as well, her family included – mom, dad and all. No other culture or identity would produce such a talent and perspective. It’s raw and genuine. Keke Wyatt should ATLEAST be appreciated for being a genuine force/influence within Black music. It’s all her.

    It should be recognized that she fought back in an abusive relationship. None of us were there, so we shouldn’t judge her. The situation could have been that if she didn’t do what she did, we would TODAY know of Keke Wyatt as a dead woman. She could have very well been fighting for her life. But we weren’t there. I’ve know too many women in abusive relationships, and even if at the abusers expense (injury, imprisonment, or death), it’s always good to see someone get out of that kind of misery.

    The woman has been conscientious and generous enough to lend us her life experiences and lessons via her music lyrics and videos. She’s has been gradually revealing to us what has been going on in her life – but YALL ain’t listening. In her latest single she has something significant to say pertinent to how men treat women within the Black cultural landscape. It’s serious, and I hope that a lot of people, women, are inspired by this song. I know I have been.

    She’s a very strong person and you all need to recognize strength, an open mind, and being forthright.

    Consider the values representative in the media images of Beyonce and Keke Wyatt. In all Wyatt’s videos and performances, she is never over sexualized. Her music has always emphasized family, commitment, love and sacrifice. Maybe the woman just sacrificed too much for this man that was not only beating on her, but cheating on her (probably in her face) and spending her money. This whiles she’s bearing his children and trying to maintain a household and a career at ages 18-21. Most people that age aren’t even doing that. Beyonce wasn’t, and still hasn’t.

    Keke Wyatt deserves some respect.

  37. I agree with you Nik. Those posters, all new people, who can’t control their tongues and carry themselves in a ladylike fashion will be banned from posting. The vulgar language is not wanted on this blog.

  38. Keke cannot even come close to Bee’s swagger and talent…She needs to shut it down , i personally will never purchase any of her material just based on her tacky comment against another successful sistah! :stop:

  39. Wow! That “one-drop” rule has everyone confused and turning against each other.

    “Only in America can a White woman have a “Black” child (poignant statement, but I can’t remember where I read it).

    Actresses Victoria Rowell and Persia White both have lily white (for lack of a better term) daughters. But only in America would these girls be forced to identify as Black. God forbid a Black woman has a White baby – oh heck to the naw!

    But I digress…

    Keke sounds like she is filled with pain and needs some serious counseling. Her mother is obviously a child abuser who will reep the negative effects of her abuse (karma is never too far away). Keke does not identify with being Black – she indetifies with being “a woman” That’s cool, I just hope she doesn’t flip flop when it’s convenient. That would just crush her self-identity even more. She claims that she doesn’t know what her mother put on her birth certificate – if she was born in America, I bet it says Black. She suffered verbal and emotional abuse at the hands of her mother, so I wonder if she repeated this abuse on her Black husband. Did she ever call him n**** and berate him constatntly to make sure he didn’t forget he was married to a “prize” I don’t know the whole story – but somehow I doubt she was a victim.

    Lastly, she’s not drop dead gorgeous and I don’t believe for a second that her “natural hair is blonde” She can’t touch Ms. Beyonce with a ten foot pole and she knows it :dance2:

  40. kee kee kept it real she is more soulful than bee she just dont sell sex like bee or she would be rich too i dont think beyonce cant sing but ke ke can sang 4 sho

  41. Hearing her speak reminds me of my cousin, who is biracial. We are a month apart, we have always been best friends, until 8th grade. I always had to where ponytails, finally in 8th grade my mom let me wear my hair in a bun. I was a tomboy so i didn’t care. Anyway my cousin moved to TX for 4yrs. When she came back she looked so much older than me. We were walking down the street and she was just stopping traffic.So many guys were trying to talk to her, no 1 tried to talk to me i thought it was because she had a big chest. Any way she told me i need to dress like a girl or she would not hang out w/me. I went to my older sisters house and put on some of her clothes and she flat ironed my hair which was almost to my waist. I caught the bus to my cousins house and on the way i began to stop traffic, honestly it scarred me. Any way when i saw my cousin she told me a looked like a black idian MAN, she began to tell me how i was ugly and no one would ever try and talk to me over her because she was a redbone, and i was a blacky, she hurt my feelings so bad, neither of us had ever brought up color b4, we went to the store and more men tried to talk to me than they did her. she then told me in TX they would laugh @ me because my hair didn’t belong on my body. I think its a TX thing its sad because we used to be so close, but i guess she thought she was better than me.

  42. Des:

    Whatever, Keke Wyatt’s mother is a product of her environment. She’s no more guilty of abuse for call her children nigga than any woman of African descent is for doing so. Let’s see, Keke Wyatt was raised in the 80’s and 90’s, that’s was socially acceptable during that time. Keke Wyatt’s mother maybe a phenotype white; however, she was raised by black people to be culturally black. Her step father was Black. And that is the exception in this situation. Keke Wyatt’s mother is not a child abuser, not at the least.

    Furthermore, I don’t see the issue of identifying with Black and White if one chooses to do so. That’s one of the issue with multi-ethnicity and multi-raciality where people are connected to the root culture/identity of their mixed ancestry. Many people feel embraced and part of all their cultural/social heritages, so why can’t they identify likewise? Why is it that people have to choose one or allow society, people at large, to choose for them.

    Why is it that a person has to choose a racial identity based solely on their phenotype. Phenotype and social race really mean nothing, on what value we continue to give into this fallacy. There is racial/ethnic mixture within all the racial categories.

    It takes being bold enough to counter people’s expectations, to withstand the guaranteed ridicule when wholeheartedly expressing one’s opinions concerning race, identity, ethnicity, heritage, and phenotype that doesn’t follow the general PUBLIC consensus.

    Keke Wyatt is the bold one to do so.

  43. q:

    but Keke Wyatt didn’t ridicule anyone in her interview. Sure, she displayed evidence of LSGH (Light Skin Good Hair) arrogance, but usually that comes up when people respond to being attacked about their physical appearance in regards to their racial identity.

  44. PISSED OFF MOTHA:

    When you start putting people are pedestals where no criticism is to be directed towards them, this ensures both their failure and your own for being so consumed with them in that way.

  45. Fine-N-Mellow

    [QUOTE]
    “She damn sure was not educated enough as a child by her own mother, that tells alot about her. I remember when I was younger watching the movie “Roots” in School.”
    [/QUOTE]

    She was well educated. The purpose of her mother not allowing her children not to watch roots was to prevent them from developing resentment towards White people and White culture. It would have been easy for them to do since they’re mother was culturally BLACK. Her mother was trying to prevent them from developing hypocrite attitudes towards White because that was part of their direct bloodline. She did the best she knew how and only meant well.

    If Keke Wyatt’s mother didn’t intend for her children to be educated about their African-American/Black ancestry and people she would have removed them, and herself, from the culture/social disposition early on. But that would have been hard for her to do since Keke’s mothers was raised in African-American/Black culture and was probably all she knew.

  46. [QUOTE]
    What an ignarant ***** she really think that because her mother is white she’s not black. What the hell does she mean that Black people can’t help the way they look? No wonder she mixed up the way she is, she was raise by an crack head, ignorant mother who did not teach her about her history. Do yourself and the Black community a favor and stay in the ghetto where you clearly come from. Better yet, please don’t reffer to your ignorant, trashy, mixed up confuse self as a Black woman, because you are clearly not. Yeah you grew your hair out with some extension idiot. Your father really did a number by picking that lady to produce with. Trash + Trash = Trash, stop hating on Beyonce at least she has talent UGLY.
    [/QUOTE]

    Realize the number Black people who’s mixed ancestries have been revealed, with some having acknowledged this without causing conflict with the Black community:

    Lena Horne, Cab Calloway, Della Reese, Halle Berry, Lonnette Mckee, Prince, Eartha Kitt, Jimmy Hendrix, Bob Marley, Jasmine Guy, Beyonce, Ashanti, Mariah Carey, Vanessa L. Williams, Shemar Moore, Boris Kodjoe…

    And why is it that some many have issue with Keke Wyatt acknowledging the same thing, especially when mixed ancestry is both a recent and distant REALITY among Afro-descendant people in the Americas.

    We continue to abide by this One Drop Rule that has kept our ancestor oppressed, yet complain when it’s used against YOU. Black is only a social construct, they want to say Black, White, etc…are ethnicities, yet social constructs can also be applied ethnicity.

    The constructs hide the reality of the racial/ethnic state of most of us, be you Hispanic, Asian, White or Black – everyone is mixed. She merely aware of it, and connected to it, and is not Afraid to talk about it.

  47. Shia,

    Ok? :confused: I hope you personally know Keke Wyatt and are getting paaaaaaaid really well for writing a thesis defending her comments and her CHILD ABUSING mother!

    Your comment about Keke’s mother calling her a n***** was “socially accepted in the 80’s and 90’s” is STUPID! :bag:

    ANYONE who REGULARLY calls their child a DERAGATORY name is verbally and emotionally ABUSING that child – as we can well see from this interview! I don’t care anything about anyone being a “product of their environment” We all KNOW right from wrong, so don’t give me that!

  48. @ Shia,

    “Lena Horne, Cab Calloway, Della Reese, Halle Berry, Lonnette Mckee, Prince, Eartha Kitt, Jimmy Hendrix, Bob Marley, Jasmine Guy, Beyonce, Ashanti, Mariah Carey, Vanessa L. Williams, Shemar Moore, Boris Kodjoe…”

    —Explain to me the “mixed raceness” of Beyonce and Ashanti in comparison to the rest of those mention.

    I’m going to sound like an idiot, but I have to point this out…with those others, isn’t either a mother or father, black or white? Or do some have a parent that is bi-racial, thus making them multi-racial??? Not trying to make it sound one or the other, but “mixed” to me means one parent is ‘one’ while the other is the ‘other’. I guess I’m seeing it as half and half….God, I’m so affected by this mess! 😆 Seriously *sigh*

    @ g,

    Not everybody in Texas is that way, hun. Sorry you had to go through that. But by the same token, I had a cousin from the big city (I grew up in a very rural area) who would come down every summer when we were 8/9 and stay with her grandmother. She exercised that whole ‘racial superiority’ crap over me and she was DARKER skinned than I! 😆 So, it works both ways. Obviously, SHE had the issue with it as her other cousins were all pale/light-skinned Black folk, as was her mother, but she took her father’s coloring. It just works both ways and all around is just ignorant because it means nothing because as many of you have said, THEY (white folk) see us all the same anyway, regardless the shade or hue of our brown skin. :brownsista:

  49. Her saying shes mixed is fine. i dont care what she claims to be or if she claims both or w/e. But her thinking it was alright for her mother to call her a n—a but didnt let her watch roots is ridiculous. And I hate the fact that they put n—a in the dictionary. Putting it in the dictionary is basically telling people that it is alright to say it.I have actually had white kids call me a n—a, cuz i didnt know the answer to a question or something. But when i get mad they say im out of line because its in the dictionary.

  50. Madame Zenobia:

    [QUOTE]
    anessa L. Williams, Shemar Moore, Boris Kodjoe…”

    —Explain to me the “mixed raceness” of Beyonce and Ashanti in comparison to the rest of those mention.

    I’m going to sound like an idiot, but I have to point this out…with those others, isn’t either a mother or father, black or white? Or do some have a parent that is bi-racial, thus making them multi-racial??? Not trying to make it sound one or the other, but “mixed” to me means one parent is ‘one’ while the other is the ‘other’. I guess I’m seeing it as half and half….God,
    [/QUOTE]

    There is a social construct to muli-racial ancestry and a scientific/genetic/anthropological construct. All are indeed mixed race, however Beyonce, Ashanti and a few others are farther removed socially and culturally from their non-African heritage. It’s that there for everyone to see because the only way that it’s present is in their bloodline and not in the day-to-day disposition of them, their parents and/or recent ancestors.

  51. Madame Zenobia: (read this)

    Reconstructing Race
    Fall 2005

    A teacher introduces his students to the slippery concept of race
    By Nathaniel W. Smith

    “I really just think it’s so terrible that people judge other people for their race. I don’t see how they can be so stupid! I don’t care if you’re black, yellow, or green. I only see people as people.”

    When one of my students made this comment, his classmates applauded. Yet he was the same student who, not a day later, noticed that one of our classroom windows had a broken handle. He laughed, saying the school was “so damn ghetto.” And he openly talked about rap music as “complete crap. It’s not even music—even I can get on a microphone and just talk!”

    I wondered how I would even begin to get at the contradictions in this student’s mind.

    Yes, we should “all get along,” as another student once earnestly implored. But before we can, we must first understand the degree to which we don’t get along. This seemed especially difficult considering the population I was working with. I taught in Central Bucks School District in Bucks County, Penn., which is approximately 98 percent white, and 95 percent middle class or higher. There was not much in the way of racial and socioeconomic diversity among my 10th and 12th-grade students, who were tracked into honors, standard, and basic classes.

    Comments like the ones above were not those of a few idiosyncratic individuals, they were refrains, repeated again and again, often in the exact same wording. I wanted to develop a curriculum that made race enormous, difficult, and personal, when many students defined it as stupid, simple, and external.

    As a white teacher in a predominantly white school I wanted to help students see their own whiteness and the ways it has shaped their lives. I wanted to confront my students’ perceptions that “I don’t think it has anything to do with me—I don’t even have a race. I’m just normal.” I thought I would begin by helping them understand race as a specifically social construct.

    The Breakthrough

    “Mr. Smith, why are you teaching us history in our English class?” Students wondered why, in a course on American Literature, I would devote multiple days to discussions of race. I explained to the students the interrelation of literature and the societies in which the authors lived, often pointing out that one couldn’t understand modern music without understanding modern times.

    As my course contained a unit on slave narratives and another on the Harlem Renaissance, I justified race discussion as requisite to understanding the context of the literature. So by the time our semester together had come and gone, I had taught several lessons that addressed the concepts of race, the historical development of race, and the challenges to race presented by the constant creation of multiracial people.

    I had found readings and role plays, personal accounts, and documentary films. We acted out and discussed Twain’s controversial Pudd’n-Head Wilson, created graphic novels representing the autobiographies of Fred-erick Douglass and Harriet Jacobs, and even watched samples of the PBS film Race: The Power of an Illusion. Like many teachers with a passion, I bent the rules of the district curriculum requirements in favor of lessons I thought more pressing. But with all these lessons I ran into the same problem.

    Constructing race, the daily practice of ascribing roles and identities to physical features, is a matter of active perception. If race affects the way you are treated by others in the world, it necessarily depends upon what race they suppose you to be. My curricular premise is that individuals can discover and address their own racism more effectively when they understand that all race categories are political lines drawn in the sands of cultural and genetic diffusion and evolution.

    I can say it clearly enough, but lectures never bring the result I’m really after. If race is perceptual, it must be challenged on the level of perception. My lessons based on reading and discussion failed to produce activities that revealed to students how they construct race through their own vision and sense of identity.

    Then in February 2002, I was doing some background research on Frederick Douglass, and I stumbled across Gregory Fried’s article “True Pictures.” [It’s available on the web at http://www.common-place.org/vol-02/no-02/fried/%5D The pictures he had found were the perfect starting point.
    Before we began, I told the students we were going to start working with slave narratives soon, and I thought this would be a good exercise for laying the groundwork. As I handed each student one of two photographs, I explained that these were taken around the time of emancipation (1863, to be precise), and that Frederick Douglass had hoped to use them to educate people against slavery.

    Then I gave them three minutes to write a description of the photo. “Describe it, explain what’s happening and who the characters are. Then explain how you think it might have been used in an anti-slavery campaign. If this were an anti-slavery campaign ad, what might be the slogan?” I avoided mentioning the race of the people in the photographs. The students spent the next few minutes reacting to these pictures. Though I cut off the original captions, I included the names for ease of discussion after.

    Afterward, I asked them to share what they wrote. Students guessed that the picture of Isaac and Rosa arm in arm is symbolic of an interracial harmony campaign, a Benetton-style depiction of black and white together in youthful innocence. “The white girl and the black boy together arm in arm is a sort of vision for the future—there’s hope for us to all live together,” wrote one student.

    Someone else suggested that Isaac and Rosa show that “the little white girl is safe playing with the little black boy.”
    For the second picture, students had a range of explanations, though often again the idea of safety emerges: “It shows that a black man can know more than a white person—he can teach them to read. And it sort of says, these white kids are safe with this black man.”

    Alternatively, some students argued, “the white kids are teaching the black man to read, kind of saying that he can learn just as well as white people and should be given a chance.”

    In addition to using this activity with my own classes of predominantly white students, I’ve also used it with classes of adults. Every time groups of people have debated these photos, they have described the pictures as photos of black and white people together.

    Once students aired their reactions, I revealed to them that every person pictured was an emancipated slave. They had all been socially known as black, made to live as slaves. They were unable to own property, unable to vote, unable to pursue their rights through legal institutions. So, I asked my students: Were they in fact black, or were they white?

    Though the debate was a stuttering one at this point, students began to engage in some disagreement. Before moving on, I tried to point out one constant in this exercise: When we’re not thinking about race, we guess race and attach significance to it. Though I never asked anyone the race of the people pictured, all respondents (without exception) included it in their descriptions. Their interpretations of the meaning of the photos were all completely dependent on the assumed racial identities of the subjects. This point makes it much harder for students later to claim they don’t see race at all.

    “Is Mr. Smith a White Guy?”

    I then changed the topic, volunteering to be a contemporary example. “OK, so the next question is: Is Mr. Smith a white man? Yes or no?” I asked. “Raise your hand if you think Mr. Smith is a white guy.”
    Across all the groups I’ve worked with, only one person has ever suggested that they thought I might have been mixed—because I have curly hair. “So, without asking, and without knowing my parents or how I might identify, everyone here has quietly agreed that I’m white. So how do you know?”

    On the board I made a list of the things that made me white to them. Kids had a lot of fun with this (though it was tough to avoid reacting to the descriptions, as some were quite unflattering); it’s a rare opportunity to pick apart their teacher’s appearance. “You have a thin nose! White skin! Thin lips! Blonde hair! Blue eyes! You talk white! You walk like a white man! You wear khakis and a button-up shirt! European ancestors!” The list of evidence was long, and the students threw out comments faster than I could write them on the board.

    Once the list was up, I turned it around. “So, of all these things, which ones are indispensable? Which ones make me absolutely white?” I challenged each one. “If I had fuller lips, would I still be white? Are there white people with brown or black hair? Are there white people with brown eyes? White people who speak ‘ebonics’—are they still white? If a black man wears a button-up shirt, is it harder to tell that he’s black?” We went down the list until the students were unable to defend my whiteness. Still, they vehemently argued: “You just know.”

    Again I asked, “But what about Isaac and Rosa? Why didn’t we ‘just know’ with them?”

    Following this exercise, the ensuing debate has always been deep and often heated, tightly focused on what qualifies people for their race. No one tried to claim they didn’t “see” the race of the teacher or the people pictured—they had already revealed assumptions about race in their answers. All the students assumed and interpreted race, regardless of whether they considered themselves prejudiced, regardless of whether they were looking at an emancipated slave in an old photograph or a white teacher standing in front of the classroom.

    With the rug pulled out from under the categories, we then moved on to discussing how, with all this uncertainty, we ever decide that a person is of a specific race. Using the traits students listed for categorizing my race, I suggested that all the qualities fit under one of three headings: color, culture, or ancestry. I then asked them, which of these provides the key? Is one category more important than the others? Students break down along unpredictable lines and bring forth some very interesting answers. One of the most strongly defended criteria is color.

    A few questions quickly defeated the color argument. Students said I was white because of my white skin, so I held up a piece of blank paper. “So if I’m not exactly white in color, how white do I have to be to fit?” If students reversed it and claimed that “black people are people with black skin,” I asked them to define the exact range of tones. What about darkly tanned white people? Thanks to tanning salons, there’s often someone who identifies as being white in the room with skin darker than that of Malcolm X, who they all agreed was black. And what of the emancipated slaves in the pictures? Most came to accept that people with darker skin may be white, and people with very light skin may be black. Inevitably, the kids argued about Michael Jackson, and the conversation took on a life of its own.

    I offered similar challenges to those who would ground race in culture. My students often mocked white students who “wish they were black.” I had students explain to me how a person “acts black.” What are the behaviors? “They try to talk ebonics. They’re always blasting DMX in the parking lot! They wear low baggy pants with their boxers hanging out. I know someone like that who’s always trying to convince people she is black!”

    If a person has adopted black culture, would we say that person is acting black? Wouldn’t he or she just become black? What if this black-acting person had a black great grandparent they didn’t even know about? Who would argue that a “black-acting” person with African ancestry is not in fact black?

    In the face of these ambiguities, students often drew the line at the most “scientific” seeming category—genetics. “You can look like whatever, but you either have African ancestors or you don’t,” is a typical student remark.

    I asked about adoptees. Imagine I was adopted and didn’t know my ancestry. Imagine that tomorrow I meet my real parents and one of them is black. Is it possible for a person to be black and not even know it? If this happened, would I be right to come to school tomorrow and say I am black? If not, does that mean black is something other than having African ancestry? If yes, then how could everyone have assumed I was white? I find students often split right down the middle as to whether I would be legitimately black or white in that scenario.

    Another response to the ancestry argument revolved around historic black figures. I asked students if Malcolm X and Frederick Douglass were black men, and they said yes. Then I revealed to them that both men had European ancestry. If ancestry is the key to race, why doesn’t that ancestry make them white? Why is it that in the game of race, even the slightest African ancestry trumps European ancestry? And in my case, students say they know I’m white because I have European ancestry—but how does one “see” ancestry?

    In fact, one sees only physical traits—not the familial lines or genes from which they might be derived. Here students came full circle to the point of admitting that ancestry does not clearly correlate with race—skin tone and culture matter a lot too. So the argument is circular: A person is black because we decide they are black enough, and there is no single defining quality one must possess.

    My purpose wasn’t to clarify race, but to blow it apart. To do that I had to bring out the complex challenges that exist on all sides of the race definition. The point was to raise questions and make a mess rather than let students off with neat and easy answers. No more raising your hand just to say, “Racism is bad.”

    But at this point I needed to be aware of a real danger. Students, particularly those white students who feel excluded in race discussions, may try to run with the principle that “race isn’t real.”

    As one student said, “This just proves that all this race stuff is a bunch of people worked up about nothing.” Obviously, this was not my intended result. So we got into a conversation about the word “real.”

    I said to the students, “Many people will say that God is not real. As with race, there is no ‘scientific’ evidence. Let’s imagine for a moment those people are right, that there isn’t a god. Even if that’s true, think of the role the idea of God has played in world history. Think of all the huge religious organizations in almost every country, and the influence those religions have had in the world. Think of how many people refer to God every morning in the Pledge of Allegiance, how God is written on every coin and bill in the United States. Even if God is just something people made up—does that mean it hasn’t affected us?” Even the most irreligious of students agreed that the idea of God affected them; in fact I’ve found the atheist-identified students to be quite upset about how often they are reminded of their status as outsiders. There is a parallel to those who would rather not see race, those who wish it would go away—wishing doesn’t make it so. No matter whether race is grounded in science or ideology, it has a long and powerful history, one that has determined the shape of our society in ways no individual can escape.

    Bringing It Home, Literally

    Once students had some time to soak in these ideas, I ended with an exercise that literally brought the lesson home. Before doing so, I gave some words of introduction, as this piece could serve to alienate some students if not handled delicately. I explained to students that often we think only of certain populations as not knowing their heritage. It is a widely acknowledged tragedy of slavery that so many family lines were severed and cannot be retraced. This is likewise the case with many populations who may have fled oppressive circumstances in their countries of origin. When one thinks of people not knowing their heritage, one might think of adoptees first. But the truth of the matter is, few if any of us truly know our heritage in the way we imagine it. Think of all the people who describe themselves as “Irish and German” or some other two or three part combination. Can this really capture the genetic history of any individual?

    For this exercise, I produced a simple blank diagram of the family tree, reaching back five generations. I then ask students to fill in the names of every relative they can. If one looks at the spreading numbers of ancestors—32 great great great grandparents, 16 great great grandparents, eight great grandparents, four grandparents, and two parents—there are 62 progenitors to name. I have yet to meet a student who could name them all. If one could, it still wouldn’t identify the race of those individuals, even if there were pictures of them all.

    I tried to minimize the discomfort for students who may have hesitations about revealing this kind of information by emphasizing that we are all on the same ground when it comes to our ancestry. None of us knows “where we come from,” even if we know our parents and grandparents. I didn’t ask students to share their trees, or even to feel compelled to fill them in there and then. The point was simply to visualize the vast numbers of people that came before us, and the inadequacy of the simplified descriptions most of us inherit.

    I grew up being told I was Scots-Irish and a little bit of Native American, but when I started to examine this tree and ask my family members, I discovered many countries of origin that had not been told to me (Hessian, German, and British), several branches of the tree for which there was no information, and absolutely no confirmation of the “bit of Native American” that I had always been told of.

    As a group we then discussed the significance of the holes in all our knowledge. If being African American means having African ancestry, how many of us know whether we are African American? How do any of us know we are any specific race at all? Some students will begin insisting on their whiteness, but most quickly realize they have no evidence to stand on. As one student said, “I don’t know—maybe I am black—or African American, or whatever, for all I know.”

    Another of my students, the same one who said he didn’t see race, came back to me a week after the lesson. “Mr. Smith, I went home and asked my grandmother how we know we’re white. I asked her if she knew if we had any black ancestors. She got really angry and started yelling that ‘of course we don’t have any n– –s in the family!’ I didn’t expect her to care so much about it. I quit asking about it after a while, but she never did say she had any evidence. When I showed her that [ancestry chart], she couldn’t fill it out either. She tore it up.” I worried I might have caused a family rift, or that I might be explaining myself to the principal soon, but at the same time I couldn’t help but be happy that my student had taken it upon himself to seek answers—and he was sharp enough to recognize that no answer satisfies.

    Of course, there are dangers. In my experience, no single lesson is received and applied the same way across all students, or even any two students. Some students will shut down in the face of this mess making—others will select from the many potential implications the one they most want to hear, “race isn’t real.” It’s a danger, though I would argue all educational practice is fraught with danger.

    I believe it is promising to bring high school students to this level of thinking about race. If it is not an immutable, biological fact, then race must be a changing social fact. And if it has changed in the past, it can be changed now. Whatever dissatisfies us about the issue does not have to be accepted, looked at with resignation, and considered an inevitable part of our lives. Though it hardly guarantees that all students adopt a conscious, activist, anti-racist stance, it arms them against simple and reductive thinking about race, which is always dangerous regardless of the intent.

    Nathaniel Smith (nws@pobox.upenn.edu) teaches courses in pedagogy, cultural foundations, and the history of education at the University of Pennsylvania’s Graduate School of Education. Ashort version of this piece also appeared in Radical Teacher.

  52. @Shia,

    “All are indeed mixed race, however Beyonce, Ashanti and a few others are farther removed socially and culturally from their non-African heritage.”

    ————————————

    Okay, I suppose that’s what I want to know. How far is Ashanti removed? I know Beyonce is “Creole” and I know what “ethnicities” that is comprised of, but what of Ashanti? This is just me being curious, totally nosy here. 😆

    @ Mince,

    Thanks for the article. I realize and know it is a social construct and not biological. :brownsista: I did like this last paragraph:

    “I believe it is promising to bring high school students to this level of thinking about race. If it is not an immutable, biological fact, then race must be a changing social fact. And if it has changed in the past, it can be changed now. Whatever dissatisfies us about the issue does not have to be accepted, looked at with resignation, and considered an inevitable part of our lives. Though it hardly guarantees that all students adopt a conscious, activist, anti-racist stance, it arms them against simple and reductive thinking about race, which is always dangerous regardless of the intent.”

  53. I happened to come across KeKe Wyatt’s interview because I loved her music and wondered where she’d been. To say the least, I was appalled after reading the Essence article and wanted to know what others felt about her comments about race. To look at KeKe I would never have guessed that she was bi-racial. Subsequently, I found the other interview with AHHA and that article was even more repulsive. I am not a fan of Beyonce by a long shot and anyone who knows me can tell you that I am not. The comments that were made about Beyonce’s singing ability, and physical attributes were completely uncalled for. Even KeKe’s comments about Cash Money being “Country” and don’t mess with her because she comes from at “White Woman” What does all this mean? I think it means that KeKe has some very serious issues that need to be addressed. I think that both KeKe and Beyonce are two very beautiful women, In my opinion KeKe is a better vocalist, but I won’t be spending one red cent to purchase her new cd based on those ignorant comments that were made about so many people on such a grand scale. Both articles were quite offensive. :noway:

  54. Calling you a n***a so much you thought it was your name? How could you say that out loud to the world with a straight face. Hell if you try to justify that, you can’t; black people don’t use that word to one another that much we’d think it’s our name. Keke is seriously brainwashed in the head; and It’s her mother so, what do you do? Just by those comments she obviously doesn’t consider herself one of us. To talk so negatively about Beyonce? Everything she has, she’s earned. Beyonce tries hard to be viewed as a humbled reasonable woman despite selling millions and millions of records and scoring millions at the box office, grammies upon grammies, golden globe nomin. Keke wyatt, who hasn’t had a fraction of Beyonce’s success is popping off and dissing one of ours. She’s four quarters mutt. I dont think so! I’ll admit the Beyonce’ Experience is wearing thin but if anyone dethrone the queen bee I’ll be damn if it’ll be YOU.

    I am no longer a fan of yours. I saw your name and thought “Yes, Keke is back” but now regret that I was one of the 100 people who bought your funky album, N***er!

  55. Beyonce is no different than Keke. Has anyone here ever wondered why Beyonce chose to all of a sudden put so much focus on her White so called Creole side? Why did she have to bring this up and make such an issue of it? Oh and let’s not forget that silly Creole songs about redbones, brownbones and blackbones? Like what the hell was that all about? Why no focus on her dark roots or father’s side of the family? Beyonce isn’t biracial. She has two Black parents. Her mother isn’t biracial either and neither is her dad, but for some reason they chose to focus on this minute part of her culture to make such a big deal out of. Calling Keke out on her follishness while giving Beyonce a pass if hypocritical. Both these women think being lightskinned is special and deserves to be acknowledged and have openly told us so. If Keke is crazy or confused so is Beyonce.

  56. Regina:

    I agree about Beyonce, but she IS multi-racial. It seems that most Black entertainers are multi-racial , and have been.

  57. Beyonce is multiracial down the line though. It’s not like she has one parent one color and another parent some other color. Beyonce’s dad is prolly as mixed as her mother but her mother got the light color. Color can go either way or in between when two people mix and make a child. But not the get off the subject too much, that still doesn’t explain why she needed to give special attention to that mixture and make a shade song about it called Creole. Light and mixed people just always feel the need to remind people how they part white as if it should be a big deal to Black folks. We all mixed some are just darker than others. Why the constant reminder all the darn time?

  58. PRTYBLKGRL, Kudos to your post. Your comment is exactly what I was thinking. KeKe’s interviews were offensive on more than just race and her physical features. “Cash Money slow & country”, isn’t Texas considered country? The way she “wished” she had got her start in the music industry before and/or without Avant. If it wasn’t for her duets on Avant’s first album no one would know who KeKe is. And, I too am by no where near close to being a Beyonce’ fan, but the attack on her was too catty.

    KeKe did appear really ignorant in her interview comments, but her bitterness of not being the star that she feels she should be & her low self-esteem over shadowed that ignorance. So for those who said she was being real; she was, and I saw the sad person that she really is. And for those who didn’t see it, go back and read her interviews again, and you too will see. I do hope that her newly debuted album will help ease the bitterness she has for the industry and the people in it, and hopefully help her re-build her self -esteem. And to end this comment on a positive for KeKe, back in the day, the girl could “sang”:smile:

    Oh, and I cannot fully end this comment without saying to Helene, please try and spell check and preview your sentence structure before you post. I am not trying to put you down in any way, but for you to truly get your point across on how the majority of the panel was “wrong” about what KeKe said, you first have to present it in a manner that it can be fully understood. And Helene, if you want to stand up for an artist that is “being real”, my girl Keyshia Cole is it & she is REAL without offending anyone but defending who Keyshia Cole is, a self-empowered, woman.

  59. I have to agree with KeKe with the singing better and all, that’s a fact no question. Beyonce couldn’t hang with Jennifer Hudson, so KeKe will smash her. Say what you want but that sista has soul and vocal strength to out sing alot of female singers! I don’t know about her outsinging Fantasia I think Tasia will run her off stage. But Keke is definitely a powerhouse herself. But her mom needed to know her role b/c I don’t care who you’ve been raised around heffa you are a WHITE WOMAN! I would’ve went off on her if I was anywhere in the room when that word came out of her mouth. That’s a problem I see a lot with my black people. Some will have a white girlfriend or know a white guy who’s hung around alot of black people and they will let that word slide b/c they were “cool”. I will cuss a _____ out if I hear that come out of a white girl/boys mouth. We’ll be going toe to toe and moving furniture b/c that’s disrespectful. If they are so “cool” they should no just b/c we say it amongst ourselves which is bad enough, that doesn’t give you the right of way honey! I’m looking forward to KeKe’s album she is a straight shooter, she speaks her mind regardless I love it! :thumbsup:

  60. I’ll have to agree with Regina !

    That song was ridiculous, I didn’t get it either! KeKe can call herself biracial and she is a little throwed b/c I mean it seems her childhood, like most of us, was a little dysfunctional. Beyonce is black and needs to dead that Creole noise! I’m the same complexion as her and hell most of my family on both my mom and dads side her light with green, gray, or blue eyes but who gives a damn! Beauty comes in any complexion, lightskin, pretty brown, or smooth beautiful chocolate skin beauty in every shade. I love it! I’m tired of having to deal with females who prejudge me b/c of my complexion when if they get to know me they would know I’m crazy as all get out! lol! It shouldn’t matter! But unfortunately it does to some people.

  61. Oh and I will purchase her cd, something I haven’t done in over 4 years. I don’t see the point in my buying cd’s with all the stuff we have now I can get it for free. But KeKe I will support.

  62. Yeah, beyonce might feel that way to. but most of you guys are reading way to much in to this. cause she’s only telling you how she feel GOOD OR BAD tell you the truth i don’t care. i just came here cause i been by this website before. and most of the stuff i read about don’t trun out like this. :dance2:

  63. by the way keke wyatt mom don’t look white to me. and if you want to know her brother put picture up on her myspace page. she look just like her to :dance1:

  64. Intially, when I read Keke wyatt’s comments my first initial thought was- wow mixed kids come out so tainted. It just brought the phrase tragic mulatto to mind. But , as i spoke about this race issue and her comments with my husband I began to think differently. By the way, my husband is hispanic (colombian) and I am black which is important because as we started speaking it became interesting to note how we never really look outside of the black community and see what we do to ourselves. Anyway, I went on and on about how she was so tainted in her thinking…….and she is, but he failed to see how her thinking was so different from what we as black people enforce but just are not stupid enough to say aloud and be proud of it. I went on about how this is what happens when you have bi-racial kids raised with no real positive african american presence but he argued and said even with African American presence the thinking would still be there but not the acknowledgement. After arguing endlessly with him, the truth of the matter was in this particular instance he was right and by not admitting to what you clearly see and experience does not make it less so. I immediately assigned all the blame of her thinking to her white mom. But I am wrong. Her white mom is not solely to blame here at least not more than her African American dad. Everyone in this forum, let’s be real and really study this. I became enlightened, so I believe, today. Keke Wyatt’s statements are no more or less ignorant and misinformed than the statements either verbal or nonverbal , either subliminal or overt that we as black people make about ourselves on a regular basis all day everyday. it is so easy to attack her because we actually see our thoughts ,behavior and practice in her comments and it is a bad , horrible,despicable reflection. Self hatred black people is an ugly business.
    There is not a day that goes by that we are not constnatly reminded of skin color , race and relevance within the black community. Within my family , lighter skin , curlier, finer hair or what ever you choose to call hair that is not tightly coiled and colored eyes be it hazel, gray or whatever were somehow always painted to equate as a positive. And my family was considered militant in their thinking………my point being even though we had ideas of what our blackness meant those deep seeded attitudes about physical beauty were still there. When I thought back to elementary school , I deduced it wasn’t just a me or my family phenomenon because kids my age even in 1st and 2nd grade somehow knew or believed that the lighter you were or the finer your hair or longer your hair was or if your eyes were not the typical dark brown…………… somehow this equated to something positive. They were not the only things that meant beautiful but they were undeniably always understood to be positives in the looks department. When I got to middle and high school I deduced that it was not just childish thinking because pretty much the same attitudes prevailed there. When I became an adult, I know it was pretty much a national phenomenon amongst blacks because black men would tell me things like you are so pretty…………….to be darkskinned or your hair is pretty are you mixed with anything. Or that same ole run in into the ground phrase when blacks are asked or not even asked to identify their lineaage. …………….Well, Im black mixed with indian my great grandma or grandfather was cherokee…..LOL! ,was heard too many times to remember. Come on and come off it. Black people are racially somewhere along the lines mixed with probably white ancestry due to slavery and that horrible ordeal but not everyone can be mixed with Indian. I guess just being regular ole black aint exotic enough.
    Just look at the images of beautiful black women today and most of the people you see will be either light , have real long hair or a real long weave or…………… those “colored eyes” sure there are a few brown sisters sprinkled here or there but make no mistake the ones viewed with the highest regard as far as looks are those stereotypical “light skinned with good” hair individuals.. For years the most beautiful women in the US for blacks and sometimes the US period was Halle Berry. Now today it would probably be Beyonce, alicia keys, stacy dash,thandie newton,rihanna ,sade, ciara, tyra banks. I am not saying there are no sanaa lathans or Gabrielle unions but getting the major contracts,endorsements and accolades….no, you wont find them doing this. The ones we do have who are given the bigger contracts and venues who are a shade or two darker we did not discover, the world did and had to tell us or convince us this was beautiful like- naomi campbell, iman, alek wok, Karen Alexander. you’d be hard pressed to try to make it big in the music or movie business not being of a lighter hue and forget about being a sexsymbol. Just look at r n b videos today. You just wont see many women who don’t fit that mode. And don’t get me wrong they are beautiful, absolutely…………….but what statement are we making when we don’t exalt our brown skinned , dark skinned , short haired or medium length hair beauties…………………what are we saying. Beauty comes in all shades, shapes and sizes. Something we as a black society have not completely bought into. Years ago it was lena horne, dorothy dandridge, diana carroll,lola folana, jayne kennedy ,Diana ross, and others but they all had in common a non dark/brown skinned complexion. Our men enforce this standard and so do we as black women whether we choose to believe it or not . Internationally, it is the same thing so if you are looking for comfort here it is. In Africa , of all places , fade crèmes sell like hotcakes! Colorism is king and people are comparing their shades all over the place. Skin tone is also a huge deal in India, the phillipines and among Hispanics. So if you are still not convinced that the whiter or mixed looking features keke wyatt seems to subliminally endorse like it is her badge of honor is not just a plague on her but in our society, then please politely crawl back under your rock and I am sorry for interrupting your happy rose colored lense oh I am so proud to be black life. The Keke Wyatt school of thought is what we as black people created and still enforce!

  65. The bottom line is, to say you embrace Black, White and Native America – ALL – as part of who you are, then go and remove yourself from them verbally when addressing either group is TOTAL contradiction. If they are part of YOU, then you are part of THEM.

  66. Keke Wyatt articles gave me pause, and not in a good way. I was offended, sadden and angered by some of the things she had to say. Many of you have already addressed the issue of race, ignorance, white women raising bi-racial children, and catty attitude towards another recording artist. So I won’t repeat any of that. I would like to commend many of you for having a dialog about “race”. I was going to have a nice (blood pressure raising) rant about Keke Wyatt and instead plan to talk with my children and grandchildren to see how well the adults in this family have done with holding up a positive mirror for our children to see themselves. I hope we have provided them with a sense of self that can withstand the negative images imposed on people of color. Also some of the images and behaviors we have placed on ourselves.
    I will make an additional comment on Keke’s recommendation to women who maybe in abusive relationships. As an advocate I cannot let her comment be the only answer. Falling on your knees in prayer to God will soothe your spirtual soul, but once you get off your knees I would offer these options; let someone know about the abuse, find out the number of a domestic violence shelter/program in your area, know your legal option, put together a plan of safety (a domestic violence advocate can help.) You probably already have a plan on what to do when you feel at risk and that is what a safety plan is, an advocate will help you incorporate other options into your plan. Seek medical treatment if you have an injury, document incidents of abuse. Realize and know that you have value. You may choose to love the individual who is hurting you, but it is important to love yourself more. Know that you are not alone, there are people who will assist you. The National Domestic Violence Hotline 1-800-799-7233. 24 hour hotline can assist in connecting you with a program in your area or providing you with support and information. These are a few of the options available to you, there is so much more. Please here me say, prayer is powerful, and can help you on your journey to a relationship free of violence.

  67. [quote comment=”12446″]Shia,

    Ok?

    :confused: I hope you personally know Keke Wyatt and are getting paaaaaaaid really well for writing a thesis defending her comments and her CHILD ABUSING mother!

    Your comment about Keke’s mother calling her a n***** was “socially accepted in the 80’s and 90’s” is STUPID!

    :bag:

    ANYONE who REGULARLY calls their child a DERAGATORY name is verbally and emotionally ABUSING that child – as we can well see from this interview! I don’t care anything about anyone being a “product of their environment” We all KNOW right from wrong, so don’t give me that![/quote]

    I’m just saying, from a subcultural perspective it wasn’t wrong just a short time ago. If it’s used in a certain context, to many, it’s still not wrong. People have their own intimate language that they use among their family and friend, why should the outside world dictate what they say to each other if they mean well by it?

    And, naw, no one is paying me to have an opinion. How ridiculous is that?

  68. Shia,

    Your defense of someone regularly calling their child a n***** is just RIDICULOUS!

    It is that mindset that encourages and enables CHILD ABUSERS to inflict their verbal, emotional and physical abuse on children. Because afterall it’s a “subcultural” thing and children don’t have feelings, memories and aren’t affected, right? What a sick and demented way to think :bag:

    But, Whatever gets you sleep at night :noway:

  69. First I have to say WOW! I use to like Keke’s singing voice, but This bitch is haten on Beyonce. Maybe that’s why she had to put a knife to her husbands throat, because he found out she was a fake, and he wanted a real sista. Oh, how many times did Keke talk about the N-word being used by her white mother?, but she wouldn’t let them watch Roots? Huh? This trick needs an education, so Keke,why don’t you look in the dictionary for the word, IGNORANT, your picture is right beside it, dumn N-er.

  70. This is a joke. Keke is just saying all this stuff about Beyonce to get press and promote her album. I don’t really care about her Beyonce comments because that’s not important. What concerns me is that this girl’s white mamma called her a “nigga.” That’s sad and sick. Where was her father when she was being called all these names? Where was her black daddy to teach her about her black heritage? I’m not surprised she’s messed up. Being called a nigga her whole life and being raised by crazy parents has made her feel inferior. That’s why so many of our young black children are messed up today. This is sad.

  71. Can someone please explain why people continue to throw daggers at Beyonce? All Beyonce haters, get over it! The girl is talented and beautiful. I think more importantly, B knows that so many people hate on her. That’s why her shows are so phenomenal.

  72. :hater:

    That was a really ignorant thing to say when you’re suppose to be generating publicity for your album and your main audience is black, and you’re a basically an unknown & no where near being a superstar, that was a really stupid marketing move on Keke’s part….Hell I always thought she was black until this article…She’s speaking about blacks like she’s not included in the populos, she feels bad for us, that ticked me off…Someone needs to inform this ignorant young lady of the “ONE DROP RULE”… Most of the comments I have read on all sites have been outrage and disgust by the comments she made about race….She’s proclaiming to be all of these other races while using her blackness to futher her career….She may can sing better than Beyonce but she obviousy don’t have the smarts to market herself correctly…She’ll be lucky if she’s sales a single album after this interview, I definately won’t but her album just because she’s stupid and not worthy of my money.

    Love, like, or hate Beyonce at least she embraces her blackness and she knows what color she is.

    ************************************************************************************************************

    @TinaMiranda

    I won’t stoop down to this average-looking ignorant b***** level, because what I would say might have me kicked off.

    What’s going on here first Polow this heifer? We got to do better.

    WELL SAID GIRL, WELL SAID!!!!!
    :bowdown:

  73. We all know that after reading the article Keke is messed up in the head. I do agree that what she said about Avant and Cash Money and other people who are far more accomplished then she is says that she is living in keke wyatt’s world. Somehow she thinks that everything stated will somehow make people like her or admire her. She needs HELP!

    One other thing, I am a fan of K. Cole but she is not a nice person. Musically she is wonderful but personally she has a bad attitude (from what I’ve seen at an appearance is ATL). I also frown upon her for putting all her dirty laundry on blast in a reality show just gain street cred and sell records. She doesnt need to do all of that. I wish people would stop comparing her to Mary because all of Mary’s pain is real but, it seem to me that K. Cole problems are self contrive. We need to stop looking at these celebrity as someone who is larger than life and recognize that some of them are crazy and less stable the everyday people. Just look at Keke who is Very Talented but has issues.

  74. [quote comment=”12528″]Shia,

    Your defense of someone regularly calling their child a n***** is just RIDICULOUS!

    It is that mindset that encourages and enables CHILD ABUSERS to inflict their verbal, emotional and physical abuse on children. Because afterall it’s a “subcultural” thing and children don’t have feelings, memories and aren’t affected, right? What a sick and demented way to think :bag:

    But, Whatever gets you sleep at night

    :noway:[/quote]

    whatever des,

    family dynamics are family dynamics. Wyatt was not abused.

  75. [quote comment=”12528″]Shia,

    Your defense of someone regularly calling their child a n***** is just RIDICULOUS!

    It is that mindset that encourages and enables CHILD ABUSERS to inflict their verbal, emotional and physical abuse on children. Because afterall it’s a “subcultural” thing and children don’t have feelings, memories and aren’t affected, right? What a sick and demented way to think :bag:

    But, Whatever gets you sleep at night

    :noway:[/quote]

    whatever des,

    family dynamics are family dynamics. It doesn’t mean that Wyatt was abused.

  76. whatever des,

    family dynamics are family dynamics. It doesn’t mean that Wyatt was abused.

    No, whatever Shia,

    Tell that to Child Protective Services! Don’t cover up CHILD ABUSE by labeling it “Family Dynamics”

  77. [quote comment=”12555″]whatever des,

    family dynamics are family dynamics. It doesn’t mean that Wyatt was abused.

    No, whatever Shia,

    Tell that to Child Protective Services! Don’t cover up CHILD ABUSE by labeling it “Family Dynamics”[/quote]

    I’ve never known for CPS to be called on a parent that calls their child Nigga. For many, that’s a term of endearment. Yeah, it’s crazy, but it’s true.

  78. Shia,

    Based on this article, Keke’s mother wasn’t calling her a n***** as a “term of endearment” :stop:

    Any parent that uses that word or any other DERAGATORY word to berate their child is ABUSING that child. Would you like it If your mother called you n**** or bi*ch all day long? Maybe, you engage in this type of behavior with your own children and have come to justify it as normal :bag:

    I have my own practice and I am aware of teachers and school administrators who call CPS on parents who emotionally and verbally abuse their children and yes n*****, bi*ch, fat bi*ch, ugly bi*ch, stupid bi*ch are just some of the words and terms commonly used by some parents and adults to ABUSE children. And yes, CPS usually manadates the parents and children to counseling. Some of these kids can’t even function in school because they sometimes become violent when any of their peers dare to call them any of these ABUSIVE words or terms. They get sick of hearing it over and over and over again.

    Now that’s sad – get over yourself lady and stop making excuses!

  79. This girl got’s serious issues but she damn sho’ can sing her high-yellow tail off(way-way-way better then Beyonce I hate to admit). If this chick didn’t continuously stab up her husband and scared all her potential male audience away she did have superstar potential. I thoght Ketera(Keke) and Avant was the future duet sensation.

  80. “Love, like, or hate Beyonce at least she embraces her blackness and she knows what color she is.”

    B embraces her “blackness only” because she knows that she will loose $$$$$$ if she doesn’t. B is mixed and she knows it. Oh, best believe that when the camera’s aren’t rollin, she embraces her total package.

  81. No one here is trying to claim Keke. Why do mixed up people always claim someone wants to possess them? Like one of the people said above, why she all up in our face, singing our music but claiming not to be one of us? Kick dirt then and go hang out with the people you claim to identify with. Why is Monique all up on a Black site claiming her Indian-ess? We all mixed and know it but mixed people are the ones who want to scream it from the rooftops among Black people as if we should bow down to you. Fact is you all can’t hang among your other side because those people HATE you. Go to an Indian site and see the reception you get. Let Keke go to a White site and watch how she gets treated. You all are angry because you are forced to be Black in a racists world. But like most people you all want to feel superior to someone and so of course you choose Black people to hate on and you do that by expecting us to worship you just because you are half of something else. Well not me and not here. :hmph:

  82. B embraces her “blackness only” because she knows that she will loose $$$$$$ if she doesn’t. B is mixed and she knows it. Oh, best believe that when the camera’s aren’t rollin, she embraces her total package.

    **************************************************************************************************************************
    Beyonce has always claimed her blackness from day one even when whe was with with Destiny Child, at least she does state “I am an African American woman.”

    There’s nothing wrong with stating that you are of mixed heritage, but when you go as far as to say I’m not black, when you have predominately black traits and features I have a problem with that, especially when you are making money off of black people…From society stand point YOU ARE BLACK if you have a black parent and strong black traits (hair, skin, nose, lips)….Keke, Beyconce, and Halle all maybe of mixed heritage but technically they are light skined black women.

  83. [quote comment=”12572″]No one here is trying to claim Keke. Why do mixed up people always claim someone wants to possess them? Like one of the people said above, why she all up in our face, singing our music but claiming not to be one of us? Kick dirt then and go hang out with the people you claim to identify with. Why is Monique all up on a Black site claiming her Indian-ess? We all mixed and know it but mixed people are the ones who want to scream it from the rooftops among Black people as if we should bow down to you. Fact is you all can’t hang among your other side because those people HATE you. Go to an Indian site and see the reception you get. Let Keke go to a White site and watch how she gets treated. You all are angry because you are forced to be Black in a racists world. But like most people you all want to feel superior to someone and so of course you choose Black people to hate on and you do that by expecting us to worship you just because you are half of something else. Well not me and not here. :hmph:[/quote]

    hey, there are plenty of Whites out there who are passin’ so, you never know who will embrace who.

  84. Shia,

    “Why is Monique all up on a Black site claiming her Indian-ess? We all mixed and know it but mixed people are the ones who want to scream it from the rooftops among Black people as if we should bow down to you. ………..

    But like most people you all want to feel superior to someone and so of course you choose Black people to hate on and you do that by expecting us to worship you just because you are half of something else……”

    Must be some self-hate going on. The truth is the truth, why deny someones total package? Ignorance………… do your homework. Anyone with a blended heritage should have the option to embrace their total package.

    By the way, my Native American peps are from North Carolina and I am very accepted among MY PEOPLE! Yes I have a blended heritage and I WILL NOT PICK AND CHOOSE ONE ANCESTOR OVER THE OTHER. WITHOUT THE BLENDING, I WOULD NOT EXIST.

    SOME PEOPLE JUST DON’T GET IT. Get over yourself and your self-hate hatin on mixed people. We are all God’s Children……remember that!!

    P.S. I do not want anyone to “bow down and worship me”, I AM NOT GOD……We all should be worshiping The King of Kings and The Lord of Lords…..JESUS CHRIST!

  85. I actually had the opportunity to meet KeKe at a church function in her hometown Somerset,Kentucky this summer(her mother & son were present). In person,she is extremely light, & has beautiful hair (but she did not necessarily stand OUT in a church full of African-Americans of varying hues). I can truly appreciate the fact that she wants to embrace all of her ethnic backgrounds, HOWEVER… What Keke must keep in mind: IN THIS COUNTRY IT IS NOT WHAT YOU THINK YOU ARE,BUT HOW YOU ARE PERCEIVED. And she will never be perceived as anything other than a stunningly beautiful African-American woman of a lighter hue. My belief is that her self-hatred stems from constantly being called a nigger as a child by her mother (which is dumbfounding to me because her mother appears to be a light complexioned Black woman). Keke needs to get herself together & try to be a positive motivating force in the life of her young son who is (HANDS DOWN/MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT) Black. KEKE NEEDS PRAYER!

  86. Andi,

    I don’t think Keke or anyone should depend on how others perceive them. It’s come the day where we all need to respect how people identify on individually and quite putting everyone in a groups based on skin color or features. And as far as people perceiving her as an African-American of lighter hue goes…really, when someone looks as racially ambiguous as Keke Wyatt does it would take seeing their cultural and social practices/lifestyle before coming to a conclusion as to how they MIGHT identify. We’ve seen Keke on TV singing a Black musical genre, with Black vocal stylings, depicting situations common within the Black socio-cultural experiences; therefore, people safely assume that she’s black based on that and her fairly visible African features.

    However, to not know anything about her, if she stood among a crowd of people from diverse heritages Wyatt could go for anything from Hispanic, Native American, Italian, Mixed Race or Hapa (Asian Mixed). So, here in America, she could pass for a number of things.

    And I don’t think she has self hatred at all, she’s just arrogant and ill informed.

    And if Wyatt is mixed race, then so are her children. She should inform them to be proud of their heritages and not to limit themselves to a single identity or social disposition just because society thinks they should. I give her the credit, at least, of being a FREE THINKER and not feeling the need to abide by any social standards in regards to race – even though she was rude and disrespectful in doing so. She could at least give respect to the ‘culture’ that bred her and her talent.

    But get ready many of you that claim a single race as your identity, times are changing. People are waking up to the façade that we are supposedly born into called ‘race’.

  87. I am a white woman who believes that Keke Wyatt IS an ignorant and arrogant woman who DOES suffer from issues of self hatred! In a perfect world there would be no pre-conceived notions and labeling….
    BUT WE DON’T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD therefore what is seen is a light complexioned black woman. Sorry,I don’t make the rules!
    I can tell you this, she will never be accepted as an Asian woman,Italian woman,AND ESPECIALLY NOT A WHITE WOMAN! I DON’T CARE WHAT HER CALCULATIONS ARE!!!!! (25% Black,70% White,5% Indian OR WHATEVER NUMBERS SHE CAN COME UP WITH!

  88. I am a white woman married to a black man with 3 beautiful daughters. We raised our daughters to embrace both of their heritages but expressed to them that they would be perceived in this world as African American women. It minimized confusion for them & they are now intelligent, well rounded young ladies who do not have the identity issues that Mariah Carey, Keke Wyatt,Vin Diesel & others have when it comes to who they are & how they are perceived. IT TAKES STRONG COMMITTED PARENTS/FAMILIES EARLY ON,NOT MOTHERS CALLING THEIR CHILDREN THE N-WORD & WEAK FATHERS JUST STANDING BY LETTING IT HAPPEN!!!!

  89. What rules? Nothing is written in stone. Listen, if people throughout history remained complacent with social dispositions established as general rule, there would still be slavery. By embracing and abiding by these “unspoken” and “non-legal” rules, you’re agreeing that they are correct. Well, they aren’t. Racial categories are a façade, and to continue to follow this aspect of the legacy established by bigoted white society is to endorse white supremacy.

    And Keke Wyatt could easily pass for Hispanic or mixed Asian, given the right social/cultural disposition.

  90. You should ‘RESPECT’ people for how they choose to identify, that’s their personal right. And you want to take that away with your judgment? That’s a from of racism.

  91. Geesh!
    GET A LIFE KIZZY! YOU ARE GOING TO BURST A BLOOD VESSEL……
    ;->’

  92. FIRST OF ALL…..U SHOULDN’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING U READ R HEAR ABOUT!!! MY SISTER KEKE WYATT WOULD NEVR SAY THAT STUFF ABOUT BEYONCE…SHE EVEN LIKES BEYONCE HERSELF…MY SIS IS NOT IGNORANT AND I KNOW SHE DIDN’T MAKE THOSE COMMENTS ABOUT SHE ISN’T BLACK….THAT DON’T EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE….SO TO ALL THE HATERZ U NEED TO FALL BACK MY SISTER IS THE SHIT AND SHE IS VERY PRETTY!!!! U NEED TO LEARN HOW TO THINK 4 UR SELVES INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO WHAT THE “RADIO AND MAGAZINES” SAY!!!! STUPID ASS PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE MY SISTER SOUND DUMB….WELL I SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT….IF UR SOMEBODY THERE IS ALWAYS HATERZ AROUND SO HOPE U CHOKE ON MY SISTERZ NAME…..IF U GOT SOMETHING TO SAY PLEASE FEEL FREE TO WRITE ME….love_2_sing_08@yahoo.com or babyphatchic13@msn.com (myspace)……

  93. It’s funny Lena, Keke mentioned in the article that she only had a brother….INTERESTING…..
    It’s a shame that people can’t dialogue w/o pshcho’s entering into the conversation claiming people to be their family 🙁 I’m sure that there is medication for that!

  94. BITCH FALL BACK SHE’S MY STEP SISTER….GO TO MYSPACE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT DUMB ASS BITCH…AND DON’T RAP OVER THE INTERNET…..U ON THAT CHILDISH BULLSHIT!!!!! SO FUCK U AND EVERYBODY ELSE ON HERE THAT IS TALKING SHIT ABOUT MY SISTER!!!!! babyphatchic13@msn.com (myspace)

  95. Hahahahahahahahaha! Madison I could not have said it better myself.
    PSYCHO!

  96. I REALLY DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK I AM….KEKE IS MY STEP SISTER SO LIKE I SAID BELIEVE IT OR NOT I DON’T GIVE A FUCK…..SO FALL BACK HOE!!!!!

  97. Lena you entered into what WAS an intelligent conversation up until the point that you entered into it. STOP faking & get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  98. BITCH YOU GET A LIFE DON’T GET MAD JUST CAUSE I’M REALTED TO HER….AND KEEVER AND KENDALL…WHICH ARE MY STEP BROTHER’S SO THEREFORE YOU CAN FALL BACK…SALLY…

  99. It appears to me that Lena is searching for Myspace friends to chit-chat with. Sad! Her mother needs to wake up & put that child back to bed because she is up WAAAAAAY past her bedtime playing on the computer. You call yourself babyfatchick 13? As in 13 years old I presume!
    Everyone it is time to ignore little ‘Miss Lena13’. She needs to settle on down so that she can get back to bed.
    NIGHTIE-NIGHT SLEEP TIGHT!

  100. Realted to her??? Lena please stop! You are embarrassing yourself.
    Now I’m done.
    Kids!!!!

  101. ACTUALLY THAT IS MY LITTLE SISTER’S E-MAIL….I’M 18 AND PLEASE STOP TALKING SHIT OVER THE INTERNET I’M DONE WITH ALL OF YOUR CHILDISH COMMENTS…YOU MUST NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO……WELL HAVE A NICE LIFE AND DON’T WRITE BACK…I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR KIDS PLAYED THIS LITTLE GAME OF YOURS LONG ENOUGH!!!!!

  102. JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Could this be a publicity stunt to generate sales for her soon to be released cd? Afterall, sales of the 1st cd were lackluster at best. Stranger things have happened. Ms. Wyatt could not possibly be as ignorant as she appears in the interview…Could she???!!
    Hmmmmmmmmmm.

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