Kelly & Beyonce’s Vibe Pics

posted by Sista on May 18th, 2007 at 4:21 am

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  1. You got real cute with the wording this time. :lol2:

  2. just_telling_the_truth

    why can’t people just accept the fact that kelly is not as pretty, sexy, talented, or interesting as beyonce? she didn’t make the cover because she is dull and has no distinctive style or fan base. diana ross was the true star and talent behind the supremes and likewas beyonce was the true star and talent behind destiny’s child. that is the truth whether you like it or not.

  3. So I’m confussed with this promotion stratagey. If they keep promoting Beyonce who’s album came out back in spetember will that make Kelly’s album hot and people buy it? Will that mean she won’t need pics of her own? Just wondering

  4. [quote comment="7288"]why can’t people just accept the fact that kelly is not as pretty, sexy, talented, or interesting as beyonce? she didn’t make the cover because she is dull and has no distinctive style or fan base. diana ross was the true star and talent behind the supremes and likewise beyonce was the true star and talent behind destiny’s child. that is the truth whether you like it or not.[/quote]
    This is a matter of opinion. I still think if more publications showed Kelly some love it would make all the difference in the public’s eye and in her record sales. Imagine what great publicity it would have been if Kelly had gotten the cover and a 10 page spread and interview. And in all honesty the timing was in poor taste. I support Bey as much as the next person but how could she have been given the cover the month Kelly’s album comes out? That is just wrong and worst of all it is a total slap in the face of Kelly.

  5. I think kelly is very pretty & should have gotten the cover. Bey & her dad don’t want this poor girl to shine at all..dam shame. I usually like bey’s pics but the first 3 aren’t flattering at all. The pic in white is very nice and the last one is cute.

  6. Because the Knowles family took Kelly in some people just assume Beyonce’s parents love her as much as they love Beyonce and Solange and that just isn’t the case. Family love and look after family first. Mathew is Kelly and Beyonce’s manager so he more than likely brokered the deal to have Beyonce appear on the cover the same month as Kelly’s album was due to be released. You mean to tell me he couldn’t have gotten Kelly the cover? Why not? As a matter of fact Kelly’s promotion is non existent. When DC or Beyonce has an album coming out they are all over place. Kelly however is rarely seen or heard. Now I will be honest and say that Kelly is no Beyonce but she shouldn’t have to be. She has a beautiful voice and the DC fan base to build from. All that is lacking is the proper people behind her to see to it that she gets at least half the opportunities at Beyonce does.

  7. I’m sorry if I was Bey I would have taken a step back and let Kelly have the cover regardless of the deal I made before. Kelly needs the publicity. And I don’t want to hear that it was out of Bey’s control….hell, bey could probably get my electricity shut off if she wanted to. She is a hog!!! :noway:

  8. Dana…..thank you for saying that Kelly doesn’t neet to be Beyonce. I am so tired of people saying “she is no Beyonce”. I’m sorry let the fans say what they will but Beyonce is not THAT HOT!! She is pretty and shapely but listen….she said her B’Day album was all her and if those were her ideas and her choice videos, I’m sorry but they were all cheap looking and a bit imature. Everytime some one is good looking people tend to give them a free pass. :hmph:

  9. Madame Zenobia

    I wondered when Beyonce would cover VIBE again. Her first time was back in 2003 during her solo-release hey-day.

    This is just…SMH…VIBE magazine isn’t what it used to be, ya’ll. Take it from someone who’s collected it from its inception and premiere issue with Treach from Naughty By Nature on the cover. It’s just turning into something of a hybrid that’s a combination of The Source and KING magazine. It leans more towards Hip Hop/Rap and for me, is less unisexed (gender-wise) and is more for the guys. Back in the day this magazine was a combo of R&B and HipHop and it was beautiful. It turned me on to so many new artists…The copy I purchased had Akon on the cover. With that one issue I could tell how this magazine has totally changed.

    All aside, VIBEVixen is the shiznit. :lol: And Kelly DID cover this magazine but way back when her album should’ve been released the second-first time, I think. :lol:

    Beyonce’s interview offered up nothing new, as expected and frankly the images were nothing new either. Kelly’s interview…meh, why mention your competition so favorably 4 and 5 times? :lol: Oh well, I wish her well, but still…this has shade trees all around it.

  10. Kelly’s very pretty and what makes her sexy is that she does it with her clothes on. Kelly’s promo was world wide and babygirl has a hella of a fan base. Like Kelly quote as saying “what’s for Kelly is for Kelly and what’s for Beyonce is for Beyonce” The Vibe cover has been on stands. Please don’t pity Kelly because she’s her own star and the Queen of her own Destiny.

  11. Kelly looks angelic, wholesome and absolutely lovely. I wish she was on the cover, but I have to be honest, her pic wouldn’t sell as many mags as Beyonce’s half-clad, shower-soaked, cleavage revealing pics will.

    IMO, Beyonce looks trashy in all but the second to last pic. Sorry folks, she is usually beyond reproach in the beauty department but these wet scenes look like a soft porn movie shown after 10PM on cable.

    About the articles, 2 pages is better than none, but I agree with everyone on this post that she should have been given more love since her album is being released and not Bey’s.

  12. I’ve been knowing that Kelly is no fox to Beyonce but the fact of the matter is neither are alot of good saling artists. what does looks have to do with management doing their jobs????? Matheww sucks!!!! Last year this time Beyonce was opening up for BET awards on the today show and had two songs on the radio and already shot the second video for promotion and the album didn’t come out till september. You can’t front on facts. I’m not hating I’m not dumb. Kelly is. They are barely playing that first single.

  13. Looks like Bee killed two birds with one stone. She stole the cover from Kelly and swagger jacked Letoya. If you don’t agree click here, here,
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  14. I hate it when members of a band get jacked because of the lead singer or one member. Maybe if Kelly started dating someone famouse they would like her more.

  15. So what she got the cover, I’m so happy for her. I honestly would feel the same if Kelly got it.

    But I don’t feel like Bee should have gotten it because she’s Beyonce! Kelly is SOOOO PRETTY to me too and I love her just as much. I just wish America would stop putting them in the competition. They don’t do it to themselves so why do we?

    In all Kelly time is coming TRUST ME! I love Like this and the song she did with Lil Wayne!!

    FIRE! :smile:

  16. I think Kelly needs to wake up and see that shes never gonna be taken seriously as long as the Knowels manage her career. I think that has to be hard to accept knowing that the people you love and want believe love you as there own, truly dont love her the same…. That being said I also think that the Knowles think Kellys not as good cause shes dark skin. Farrah did an interview saying that Tina use to tell everyone except Beyonce that they needed to go tanning?!?!? They thought Beyonce would stand out more and be more excepted if she was lighter than the rest. Damn shame!

  17. On the real Kelly shoud have been left them, another reason Matthew cant score other artist they see what he does. I love me some B but she shoul dhave pull back for her girl Kelly

  18. LOL i have to agree with a lot that’s been said bottom line Kelly needs new management. I think personally she knows it, Matthew could be doing more for Kelly than what he supposedly doing now.

    For Kelly to be taken seriously and to get from under “swagger jacker” shadow she do best to get on her grind.We all know that Matthew is not going to give 100% to her as he due his daughters a blind man can see that.
    Who cares about who’s the pettiest bottom line their beautiful in their own right,what sucks the most Kelly seems to have “B” back but the same not given Mr.Knowles or swagger jacker cover have push back the cover a month back, so Kelly could have seize moment.I didn’t matter if the magazine sold 500 or 5million still in all you claimed to be friends you could have step aside for her.

  19. It is Kelly’s own fault that her career is at a stand still and her project is going to go completely unnoticed. She needs to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that if she does not break away from the Knowles family and their management, well then her career is basically over.

    Her CD was supposed to be released July of 2006. Well here it is almost a year later and still no real promotion or release date. Everything is on hold for the Queen B. Everything that has Beyonce’s name on it is overly hyped and promoted. From the September release of the B-Day album, to Dreamgirls, to magazine covers, videos and then the re-release of B-Day. For the past year, Beyonce has been constantly shoved down our thoughts because she and Daddy Knowles are so desperate to make her a music icon, the top selling female artist of all time and are chasing after Oscar awards. Well none of that is happening because her career is going to suffer from major over kill and they are trying to hard.

    I would love to see Kelly break away from them and her career blossom. The music business has changed and it is all about image, sex and good looks. We all know that Mary J, Heather Headley and so many other black female artist are much more talented when it comes to vocal skills, song writing skills, producing and directing. But because of Beyonce good looks and popularity, her ego is constantly being stroked to make her look like she is multitalented and the best thing since sliced bread. Her songwriting skills are being attacked and don’t get me started on her tired and weak acting skills.

    Kelly honey, we are all routing for you to make some changes, take control of your own career and get out of Beyonce’s shadow.

  20. DAMN BLAME BEYONCE FOR EVERYTHING SHE CAN HELP IT SHES HOT,KELLY HER SISTER SHE KNOW BEY DONT SLOW DOWN FOR NO ONE IM SURE SHE WOULDNT EXPECT OR ASK HER TOO.BEYONCE DOING WHAT SHE ALWASY DOES MAKIN MOVES GETTING PAID..JEWS OVER CAME THEIR PROBLEMS DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN SMALL THINGS LIKE THIS I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF US HAVENT

  21. [quote comment="7360"]DAMN BLAME BEYONCE FOR EVERYTHING SHE CAN HELP IT SHES HOT,KELLY HER SISTER SHE KNOW BEY DONT SLOW DOWN FOR NO ONE IM SURE SHE WOULDNT EXPECT OR ASK HER TOO.BEYONCE DOING WHAT SHE ALWASY DOES MAKIN MOVES GETTING PAID..JEWS OVER CAME THEIR PROBLEMS DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN SMALL THINGS LIKE THIS I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF US HAVENT[/quote]
    Yes this makes sense. “We” can’t overcome “Our” problems because Beyonce got the cover of Vibe and some don’t agree with it. Dag, when will you stans stop taking this mess so seriously? To think “We” could magically overcome “Our” problems if we would just be happy for Beyonce making the cover of Vibe. Who knew it was that easy :roll:

  22. [quote comment="7364"][quote comment="7360"]DAMN BLAME BEYONCE FOR EVERYTHING SHE CAN HELP IT SHES HOT,KELLY HER SISTER SHE KNOW BEY DONT SLOW DOWN FOR NO ONE IM SURE SHE WOULDNT EXPECT OR ASK HER TOO.BEYONCE DOING WHAT SHE ALWASY DOES MAKIN MOVES GETTING PAID..JEWS OVER CAME THEIR PROBLEMS DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN SMALL THINGS LIKE THIS I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SOME OF US HAVENT[/quote]
    Yes this makes sense. “We” can’t overcome “Our” problems because Beyonce got the cover of Vibe and some don’t agree with it. Dag, when will you stans stop taking this mess so seriously? To think “We” could magically overcome “Our” problems if we would just be happy for Beyonce making the cover of Vibe. Who knew it was that easy :roll:[/quote]

    MY POINT DUMB DUMB THERE ARE BIGGER PROBLEMS YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE GETTING UPSET OVER, BEYONCE GETTING MORE SHINE THE KELLY SO WHAT THEY ARE NITE AND DAY ! KELLY CAN CHANGE WHATEVER SHE WANTS BEYONCE HAS THAT LOOK PEOPLE LIKE IM NOT FAN OR STAN
    WHY WASTE MY TIME WITH YOU GO TAKE CARE OF YOUR 4 KIDS WITH DIFFERENT DADS AND GO GET FATTER I TELL TELL MOST OF YOU WOMEN ARE FAT.

  23. Oh my god what a total freak you are. You clearly are the only one upset in this post. Get a grip you insecure, need Beyonce to give you self-esteem freak. Go get high, take some uppers or something, but for the love of all that is sacred and holy, get your head out of Beyonce’s fat :booty: now before you become anymore intoxicated by her stench. You are the ugly fat chick in this post as most of her fans are low self esteem having teens who think she represents them in some way. You look so stupid posting over and over again crying because people won’t lick Beyonce’s crack along with you. Get some help now before you become anymore insane.

  24. [quote]MY POINT DUMB DUMB THERE ARE BIGGER PROBLEMS YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE GETTING UPSET OVER, BEYONCE GETTING MORE SHINE THE KELLY SO WHAT THEY ARE NITE AND DAY ! KELLY CAN CHANGE WHATEVER SHE WANTS BEYONCE HAS THAT LOOK PEOPLE LIKE IM NOT FAN OR STAN
    WHY WASTE MY TIME WITH YOU GO TAKE CARE OF YOUR 4 KIDS WITH DIFFERENT DADS AND GO GET FATTER I TELL TELL MOST OF YOU WOMEN ARE FAT.[/quote]If there are bigger problems to worry about than Beyonce getting a cover why don’t you go worry about them little girl.

    I swear it is so obvious to tell when the kids come by cause the IQ of this site drops by five points.

    Stop typing in all caps because it only highlights your frutration and shows you are easily manipulated.

    And now that we know we can pull your strings so easily we will continue to do so.

    See how dumb you are. You been OWNED and don’t even know it yet.

    I’m going to have so much fun playing with you.

    Watch you come back and post again in all CAPS cursing and getting even more heated. Geez, how can allow us to play with you like that?

    (I see your original post has been edited by staff. Even they know you are bonkers)

  25. [quote comment="7386"] I swear it is so obvious to tell when the kids come by cause the IQ of this site drops by five points. [/quote]

    I second that one JBL! As soon as I see the all caps, multiple hater signs, cursing and name calling I know an immature, low self-esteem person is posting.

  26. LOL @ Bree’s comment…speak on it :lol2: !!! Queenie your original post sounds wack, how can you say that Bey can’t help that she’s hot? Bey has a team working on her constantly, I’m sure she wakes up in the morning looking just like the rest of us do, throwed off to the max, and if you’re saying that she’s just effortlessly that beautiful then you need to think again. I do agree that Bey can’t really be blamed for Kelly’s failure to successfully establish her own career, Kelly is a grown woman and needs to take responsibility for her own success, but you don’t need to put other’s down because they don’t feel the same way. To call them fat and assume that they have 4 kids all from different fathers??? Honestly you’re taking this way, way too seriously. Launching personal attacks like that clearly signify anger and frustration, like JBL and Bree have said, and you really can’t tell other people to stop taking it so seriously when you’re the one typing in caps and calling people, “dumb dumb”, and in such a rush to get your post out that you don’t even spell check it. I mean dang, is it really that serious? You say you aren’t a stan but you’re the clear-cut definition of one, you appear to take negative criticisms against Bey as negative criticisms against yourself, and therefore you lash out like you’re the one being talking about. No life much?

  27. lol :mrgreen:

  28. OKAY SO ALL OF YOU ARE DUMB :dance1:

  29. :stop: :dance: :dance:

  30. :iagree: I think that Beyonce needs to step down sometimes because she never wants the other members of Destiny’s Child at least have their own spot to stand. I think that Beyonce is self-centered and selfish. Her whole family is just lke her. She was the Destiny’s Child of the group and her mama just had to come up with the name and design their wardrobe while her daddy was the one to manage the group – puh-lease! Beyonce’s personality is so fake and she knows it. :thumbsup:
    ~ Dimples :brownsista:

  31. [quote comment="7545"]:iagree: I think that Beyonce needs to step down sometimes because she never wants the other members of Destiny’s Child at least have their own spot to stand. I think that Beyonce is self-centered and selfish. Her whole family is just lke her. She was the Destiny’s Child of the group and her mama just had to come up with the name and design their wardrobe while her daddy was the one to manage the group – puh-lease! Beyonce’s personality is so fake and she knows it. :thumbsup:
    ~ Dimples :brownsista:[/quote]

    Can I ask you one question? If your family had the skills like Bee’s would you go out side your circle and hire a stylist, a Manager, an Persoanl Assistant?

    I’ve read that’s why she made her mom the stylist,nad ther cousin the PA, and her dad the mgr because she was afraid to go outside her circle.

    but I do see where your coming from. :smile:

  32. ms_cutiepants

    When Kelly puts out Albums as good as Beyonce’ (especially Dangerously In Love) Then maybe she could get the recognition that Beyonce gets :lol:
    She hasn’t put her stamp on the world yet the still introduce her as “Kelly from Destiny’s Child.
    Plus you have to understand that becase of all the things she’s involved with and the way she presents herself she’s become mainstream, she’s a beautiful girl that appeals to almost everybody, that’s why she gets the bigger spread. :grin:

  33. ms_cutiepants

    Dimples; you’re a :hater:
    You automatically think she uses her family members to do things because she doesn’t trust other people, maybe she’s just trying to make sure the rest of her family is making money too, rather than sitting aroung mooching off of her.
    And they invited Beyonce to the shoot, gave her the cover and way more pictures, Kelly just tagged along as usual, Those B**ches have always been riding on her coat-tails when are people going to realize that she’s :dance1: while the rest of them are the Jackson Five

  34. [quote comment="7562"]Dimples; you’re a :hater:
    You automatically think she uses her family members to do things because she doesn’t trust other people, maybe she’s just trying to make sure the rest of her family is making money too, rather than sitting aroung mooching off of her.
    And they invited Beyonce to the shoot, gave her the cover and way more pictures, Kelly just tagged along as usual, Those B**ches have always been riding on her coat-tails when are people going to realize that she’s :dance1: while the rest of them are the Jackson Five[/quote]

    That right!! :smile:

    I love the Michael pic! TOO FUNNY! :smile:

  35. :stop: Everyone should of realized when Destiny’s Child had a new member every few months the type of people her and her family was. So they wouldn’t have a Brandy situation on their hands their daughter, Solange, married that athlete. She was too young to get married even if she was pregnant. Now they’re getting a divorce. They are not going to treat Kelly any better. Good thing Michelle is doing the Christian stuff because they would shut her out also. I hope B believes in karma because what goes around comes around. Her and her family will get what is coming to them. It’s not right to ruin the careers of such beautiful and talented young women. We need more than just B to represent Black women in the music industry. :booty:

  36. Beautifulshoes

    It is not that Beyonce music is great or good . She has so much publicilty it makes you feel it is better. Kelly doesn’t have that time of media attention. Keep in mind B went mainstream to get attention from all..from lighten her hair..mimicing pop artist like Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears (popular at that time). Not saying that they are talented. But consumers are sheep. We have been told beauty out ways talent. And you have to be half naked and take on european styles to sale a record. And we believe it. There are many talented sista’s that have recorded music but they are not have big time marketing or taking off their clothing and getting weaves to their knees.

  37. WHETHER YOUR ON TOP OR NOT. IT’S CRUEL TO DISS YOUR FRIEND AND TAKE THE PUBLICITY THAT SHE NEEDED. THEY GREW UP TOGETHER THAT WAS DEAD WRONG. THERE’S NO TELLING WHAT GOD WILL FORGIVE YOU FOR. YOU DON’T HAVE TO STEP ON YOUR FRIENDS TO BE ON TOP. MONEY AIN’T NOTHING BUT PAPER AND INK. IT DON’T LAST FOREVER. YEAH BEYONCE IS TALENTED BUT SHE NEEDS TO CHECK HER NASTY ATTITUDE. DO YOU THINK THE DEVIL CARES ABOUT A GREAT VOICE? MAYBE ENJOYING LIGHTING YO A$$ UP WITH PAIN, YEAH. FRIENDS AND FAMILY LAST FOREVER. MONEY IS ONLY MATERIAL THINGS THAT SHOWS HOW BAD OF A PERSON YOU ARE TO STEP ON PEOPLE TO GET IT.

  38. :grin: When it’s all said and done, the only way Kelly will soar to the heights that she truly desires is if she leaves Music World Music/Columbia (The Knowles’s Camp). Trust me, she knows that, but if she wants to remain in the backseat then by golly let her do it. It’s her life. There are plenty of other labels that would just be eager to sign her and put her video on every countdown known to MTV/VH1/BET. I know for sure Clive Davis would treat her like a diamond, J Records would be excellent for her. I can understand the luv she has for Be and the Knowles crew, but this is business. There is a way to explain that she wants to grow, but still be a sister to the family. Just think about it. Do you honestly think that in Mathew and Tina’s right mind that they would let Kelly’s star get as big as their sheltered baby girl? I think that when Michelle gets done with Broadway, she will change labels and do her album. I say that because we all know she isn’t as close with Knowles’s crew as everyone else, not saying that she doesn’t like them, but she won’t sit around forever and plead to Mathew to let her do a song. She’s the oldest and keeps herself busy, and is a smart girl. Whether she gets mainstream or not, she refuses to fall into this Destiny’s Child comparison curse. In the end, it’s all about doing what you feel is best for you.

  39. HELLO EVERYBODY.
    I`M HERE TO TELL WHAT REALLY HAPPENED BECAUSE ALOT OF PEOPLE KEEP THINKING THAT BEYONCE STOLE KELLY`S SPREAD ON THE MAGAZINE,BUT THAT ISN`T TRUE.http://brownsista.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_noway.gif

    THE REAL STORY
    OK,SO AS EVERYONE KNOWS,BEYONCE AND KELLY ARE CLOSE FRIENDS.SO,VIBE WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO GIVE KELLY THE PAGES THAT THEY DECIDED TO GIVE TO BEYONCE.SO,KELLY INVITED BEYONCE TO THE SHOOT JUST FOR SUPPORT,THEN WHEN THEY BOTH ARRIVED VIBE ASKED BEYONCE TO DO THE 2 PAGE ARTICLE,AND SHE AGREED.THEN,A VIBE WORKER CAME TO THE TWO OF THEM AND SWITCHED THEIR SPREADS.MEANING,THEY DECIDED TO GIVE BEYONCE THE 10 PAGE SPREAD AND KELLY GOT THE 2 PAGE SPREAD.SO,BEYONCE TOLD THE PERSON NO,SHE DIDN`T WANT TO DO IT.AND THAT SHE WAS JUST THERE TO SUPPORT HER FRIEND,NOT STEAL HER GLORY.SO THE BIG BAD VIBE BLACK-MAILED BEYONCE INTO DOING IT BY SAYING,IF SHE DIDN`T DO THE SPREAD SHE WAS NEVER ALOUD TO BE REPRESENTED BY VIBE MAGAZINE AGAIN.SO SHE DID THE 10 PAGE SPREAD,AND KELLY WAS ONCE AGAIN LEFT WALKING 3 STEPS BEHIND HER BESTFRIEND

  40. 2 DIMPLES
    DIMPLES I`M SORRY BUT YOU ARE A HATER.YOU DON`T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BEYONCE OR HER FAMILY,SO HOW COULD YOU HONESTLY TYPE HERE THAT SHE`S A FAKE.YOU`RE BEING VERY JEALOUS AND THE HATERATION HAS TO http://brownsista.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_stop.gif
    GET OFF BEYONCE`S CASE,YOU DON`T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HER.

  41. This is the most incredible story I have ever heard. I love Beyonce but I’ll be damned if I am going to believe this totally unbelievable story :noway:

  42. 2 JERSEY GIRL
    WELL,I DIDN`T SAY YOU HAVE 2 BELIEVE ME,I REALLY DON`T CARE.
    I`M JUST TELLING WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.IF PEOPLE WANT 2 EXCEPT THE TRUTH THEN GREAT,BUT IF THEY DON`T IT ISN`T MY PROBLEM.http://brownsista.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup.gif

  43. :stop: This reply goes to Christa. I just wanna make sure if what you are saying is true. There are some parts of your story that sound believable. Like when you said Beyonce showed up with Kelly to the shoot to support her and about Vibe wanting the 10 page spread to go to Beyonce and Beyonce simply saying “No,” because it is supposed to be about Kelly. (???????) We all know how they are down for each other. But honestly, and just think about it. Why would Be feel threatened about Vibe not putting Beyonce in their mag anymore when she is barely apart of Vibe at all these days. Seriously, would not doing Vibe hurt her record sales, or affect their paycheck? Vibe has been on a downhill popularity for quite a while now, not saying Vibe isn’t a big market magazine, but everyone knows that Vibe isn’t like it used to be. Trust me, Beyonce would rather do every spread of Cosmopolitan, Vogue, Elle, Blender, Maxim, Essence, Ebony (notice the order I listed the magazines), before doing something with Vibe. Bottom line-she doesn’t need Vibe. I seriously think she could care less about saving Vibe’s *** from extinction, like their defunct award show.

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