Nia, Gabrielle & Sanaa Cover Essence

NIA LONG, GABRIELLE UNION and SANAA LATHAN COVER ESSENCE MAGAZINE
My three favorite actresses, Sanaa Lathan, Nia Long, and Gabrielle Union will all grace the December cover of Essence Magazine. The three sistas come together to talk about men, the lack of quality roles for Black women in Hollywood, and their dislike of gossip blogs- especially those run by Black women. Gabrielle Union, who has been taken to task by gossip blogs for supposedly partying too much, is especially ticked off about what is said about her and laments how painful it is to have your own community tearing you down. And now because everyone is clamoring for celebrity tidbits, the bigger gossip sites and even mainstream entities are picking up on it. No fact-checking, no nothing. And in one week’s time, there were like five different dudes, a baby—I’m a homewrecker. In literally seven days. I can’t point the finger at the White media. They don’t care about us. Paparazzi are not staked out in front of any of our houses. They are not going through our garbage because they don’t care about us in that way. So when you hear crap about us, it is coming from our own community, which hurts..

ON BEING IN-BETWEEN JOBS AS A BLACK ACTRESS

Essence: What kind of year has it been for you?

Sanaa Lathan: I’m happy to have gotten a job this year. You know one of the things I decided early on in my career—especially because I only have me to take care of—is that I don’t want to do anything just for money. As a result, I can be very annoying to my agents and pass on everything. To a fault. But something came along that I’m really excited about. I’m playing a Senegalese woman, and it’s the first time that I’ll be able to do some real accent work. It’s a small, really beautiful film. Other than that, I’ve just been living my life. Living the life that you live as an actor between jobs, which is…

Nia Long, Gabrielle Union: [Immense laughter]

Sanaa: You know, at this point in our careers, we’re all in our mid-thirties. There’s an art to being an actress, especially being a Black actress. And the truth is, to have persevered as long as the three of us have, you have to have some kind of philosophy about being in between work.

Essence: Because that’s so much time, right?

Sanaa: So much time.

Nia: No matter how long you’ve been in it, there is no security. So you have to really do sort of that internal work to just say I’m going to stay true to who I am, and also to have your heart open enough to be happy when other great things are happening for other people who do the same thing you do. Because that can be difficult if you’re not in the right place. I think having that helps to attract your highest good to you.

Gabrielle: That’s a tough lesson we all have to go through. It’s like, no matter how much you hate on somebody, it doesn’t change your life. I mean, you feel kind of okay in the moment as you’re dogging somebody, and then at the end of it you feel [bad] —and you still don’t have a job.

Nia: And you won’t get one because you’re putting all that negativity out there!

Sanaa: I truly believe that. And you know the thing is also, because we are artists, we feel. We have to nurture that sensitive side of ourselves, so of course we’re going to get jealous and envious. We’re human. But the key is to have the emotion, recognize it, deal with it, and move on. That’s what being an adult is. I think in life you have to work on yourself, but it’s almost like being an actress in Hollywood is double the stress.

ON GOSSIP

Essence: How do you deal with the 24-hours-a-day gossip that comes out on the Internet?

Gabrielle: Just last week somebody gave me a baby. This isn’t Perez Hilton or the White gossip people, these are women of color, specifically Black women who, for whatever reason, don’t like the company I keep.

Sanaa: She’s talking about the gossip sites.

Essence: The blogs.

Sanaa: That are run by Black women.

Gabrielle: And now because everyone is clamoring for celebrity tidbits, the bigger gossip sites and even mainstream entities are picking up on it. No fact-checking, no nothing. And in one week’s time, there were like five different dudes, a baby—I’m a homewrecker. In literally seven days. I can’t point the finger at the White media. They don’t care about us. Paparazzi are not staked out in front of any of our houses. They are not going through our garbage because they don’t care about us in that way. So when you hear crap about us, it is coming from our own community, which hurts.

Nia: We are some of the few Black actresses whose passions are rooted in our community.

Gabrielle: There is this idea that there is integrity in journalism; if it’s written it has to be true. But that’s not the case. When blogs or any of the magazines get it wrong, there’s no accountability. In the next breath, they’ll complain on the blogs that we don’t have enough Black stars. Well, you rip us to shreds every two seconds from our nose to the weave to the clothes to the shoes to the ashy ankles.

Read more from actresses Sanaa Lathan, Nia Long and Gabrielle Union on gossip, Black men, dating, the new year and fighting for roles in Hollywood in the December issue of ESSENCE on newsstands now.

NIA, GABRIELLE & SANAA COVER ESSENCE

46 Comments

  1. Well we know Gabrielle wasn’t talking about you Brown Sista but she fa damn sho was talking about most of the other blogs. Most Black blogs are incredibly negative but some have toned it down now because they know celebs are reading them and they don’t want to offend them or risk losing interviews or even money from donations.

    I can understand Gabrielle’s attitude also. Every time she is seen at an event blogs claim all she does is party and doesn’t work even though she has 3 movies released in 2007 alone. All in all though she needs to grow thicker skin because gossip blogs are popping up left and right and most of them are aiming to be like Media Takeout not Brown Sista.

  2. Nice to see three beautiful talented browsistaz in the same room chatting abour real life stuff.
    I think the reason the blogs out them down so much is coz as black women we suffer from “PULL HER DOWN” syndrome.

    We need to support each other instead of killing each others spirits. White folks are lauging at us.

    Its also great to see black women doing positive things and living decent lives-seeing storries about Supahead on blogs is sooooooooooooo exhausting

    do your thing sistaz :dance1:

  3. [quote comment=”15810″] I think the reason the blogs out them down so much is coz as black women we suffer from “PULL HER DOWN” syndrome.[/quote]
    Sorry Goldilox but I don’t agree. Tearing down celebs is big business and not just on Black blogs. Check out White blogs and you will see they are over there tearing down Britney, Jessica Simpson, Lindsay Lohan, Kim Kardashian and many others. Whereas many Black blogs, this one included, do not tear sistas down and basically just report the facts minus the crude comments. I do think sistas however like to nit pick other sistas but women do that in general, ALL WOMEN.

  4. I love the Sanaa is one of my favorite actresses, it is divine !!!!!!!

  5. ALL THESE LADIES LOOK BEAUTIFUL IN THE EDITION OF ESSENCE MAGAZINE 🙂

    BUT SOMEHOW, AND IT’S JUST (MY OPINION) GABRIELLE UNION IS NOT CONSIDERD AN ACTRESS TO ME. IT’S SOMETHING ABOUT HER THAT I JUST CAN’T SEEM TO PUT MY FINGER ON RIGHT NOW. :hmph: SHE JUST SEEMS SO FAKE TO ME. 🙄

  6. Love the article. These women are lovely, talented women that are 110% deserving of our support and def try to support the sista’s when I get a chance. And I would not even think twice about the gossip. If I had a camer in my face at the age of 20 then I would be called everything but a child of God! Just think we you don’t give the world real dirt – they make it up – and being a Black owner of a blog doesn’t make them immune to doing anything to get the hits on a website!

    I will pick up this book!

    Nia I love you in Big Shots!

    Sanaa you need to head back to Nip/Tuck girl!

    Gabby you are FAB! All you have to do is show up!

  7. Beautiful cover. Gabrielle does make a good point about Black blogs though. But I think White blogs are equally as bad when it comes to tearing people down, from what I’ve read anyways. Most of the time it’s the comments from people that visit the site, and not the actual writers of the blog. But I can definitely see where she’s coming from about it hurting more coming from your own community.

  8. All the communities do it, the media has always done it, dissing celebs, there isn’t one celeb who hasn’t been dogged regardless of their race or gender. But I will say, knowing our history and struggle, and our situation as a people TODAY, we definitely need to be much more conscious than the other communities. Because we have it harder than anybody else, we need to support each other harder too. Just because others do it, doesn’t make it right, especially for us! WAKE UP! I love those 3 women, more power to them!

  9. I agree, that’s why yours is the only African American blog I read. I get tired of all the negativity spewing out of the other blogs!

  10. i really loving the fact they are all friends. My three favorite actresses, I see everything that they are in. And I most of the time don’t believe what they write in the blogs – they have been going kind of hard body on Gaby though- Then a couple years it was Sanaa that was the homewrecker for Omar and Denzel’s homes It’s sad but I guess it comes with the territory. any way ladies keep your head up. Nia they don’t really say anything about you maybe because your not out as much. The other two single, sexy with no kids- they should keep doing them :koolaid:

  11. Don’t “we” have the right to gossip about “us” just like “they” gossip about “their own”???

    I understand what she means about feeling hurt; she should stop reading gossip sites then. “Us” tearing “us” down? Hmmm, not all of “us” are doing this. And why not? Why can’t we gossip about our own kind? and gossip about “them” too? Should we only uplift one another, even if we don’t vibe well with a certain celeb or director or basketball player, “in our community”???

    I’m not one to support for the sake of “the community”; I have my own individual opinion and will pick and choose before I do whatever to help maintain “us”. But neither do I bash women like Gabrielle or Nia or Sanaa. I love these women; I think they are great actresses who have done some good work. But if I see something, be it a booger in their nose or ashy ankles, I’m gonna say something. It’s gossip! It’s entertainment! And I hope they only meant the most ‘extreme’ of those bloggers who day in and day out dog them (where are they? I haven’t read blogs where this happens. Who cares that Gabby parties alot? I would too!)

    They should really let go of it all; let go of feeling like they have to defend their ‘partying’ (if that’s the main gripe here). They have already overcome; they are doing big things in Hollyweird. But they shouldn’t protest too much if I point out a run in their stockings 😆 (which I haven’t by the way as that’s just asinine altogether to do LOL).

    I’ll be buying this magazine. I love Essence and I love these beauties. :brownsista:

  12. I always take the insinuations of gossip bloggers as pure entertainment, and nothing more. I just find some of their comments gut-busting. But they don’t have fact finders, or sources running the street. So when Gabriel says, “bigger gossip sites and even mainstream entities are picking up on it,” she does have a point. Because all the big sites have to do is source the little bloggers, who are just sourcing each other, and no one is to blame. Anywho, it’s all in entertainment, and all pr is good pr, right?

    All the girls are looking good on that cover though.

    *off to another gossip site*

  13. I understand what she’s saying but that’s the business she’s in.
    We become a voyeuristic society weather we admit it or not we gotten to the point of having taste for the Salish.

  14. I hate it when black celebrities think that they should get a pass on thier bad behavior for the sack of being black. Everyone has a camera phone now, so if you don’t what your business on the blogs then don’t engage in inappropriate behavior. This comment is directed to Ms. Union. I love her as an actresses but she needs to stop being in every married mans face.

  15. :stop: JUST BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE PUT DOWN THEIR CELEBRITIES DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO DO THE SAME…SHE IS RIGHT WE ALWAYS PUTTING OUR BLACK SISTAS DOWN AND COMPARING THEM INSTEAD OF BEING HAPPY FOR THEM
    Gabrielle IS A GREAT ACTOR, SHE IS JUST AS GOOD AS THE REST… JUST BECAUSE U CANT READ HER DOES NOT MEAN SHE IS FAKE….WHY ARE WE ALWAYS CALLING PEOPLE WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FAKE.

  16. Gabrielle needs to stop taking stuff so personally, nobody is off limits when it comes to naysayers. I hear rude comments made about Jesus Christ so who is gabrielle? She just needs to keep on doing the best that she can as far as being an good actress and even a beautiful neutrogena spokesmodel and let the haters hate, you must be doing something right. The internet is world-wide so how do you really know which race is really talking about you. Yes I’m sure there are white people that come on black sites and do thier talking and vice-versa when it comes to blacks on white sites. I’m sure most-to-all celebrities don’t care for gossip blogs but they keep living thier lives because they have sense enough to know that it’s pure jealously and plus they don’t know a thing about you. Well I will still get this magazine about I love all of these actresses and they look beautiful. I just hope to see them in more movies to come.

  17. I feel that although all three of these actresses are very talented and have shone at one point and time I can’t say I’ve seen any of them in anything RECENTLY that really showed their talent. I think Kimberley Elise is one of the most talented and underrated black actresses out right now and I don’t know a single thing about her, never see her partying it up or dating random rappers/athletes for publicity. She’s a great actress and that’s it. The negative atttention comes with the choices that Gabby, Nia and Sanaa and whoever else has made. It’s part of celebrity. Deal with it.

  18. First, the ladies look beautiful. Second that’s the problem………they are beautiful, talented and in the spot light. something most women want or else we wouldn’t shop for beauty products, clothes or have that friend that just needs attention all the time (so embarrassing) Women do this because we need to find something wrong with someone else to make ourselves feel better. I am not a celebrity but I am a victim of this behavior;until I learned to fight for my respect physically and verbally and by just living my life like it’s golden!!!! These ladies need to ignore people who try to put them down; 9 times out of ten most of these unattractive (putting it nicely)fools have nothing going on for themselves.

  19. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, Ladies you have stated that it’s NOT just black women or black people who “diss” or “talk about” celebs. It comes w/ the territory no matter your race. Yea, some do it cause their jealous or they just don’t like a person but so what? Who are they? If you’re happy w/ yourself- keep living your life, doing what you do.

    I think the ladies look beautiful on the cover and I can’t wait to get this issue cause the last issue…. well….. well, it was still better than putting Nelly on the cover 😀 .

  20. 9 times out of ten most of these unattractive (putting it nicely)fools have nothing going on for themselves.

    hmmm hmm that’s right mo’star :hifive:

  21. Gabrielle is so right. Its sad to see your own community tearing you down after you work so hard to please people. Many criticisms about black female actresses come from the black community and you wonder why Gabrielle, Sanaa, or Nia seem hostile to you. Its because they don’t trust you. Personally these three sistas are the best black actresses I’ve seen in Hollywood on the screen. To all the haters of the three, Keep hating because the more you hate, the better you make them look!

  22. I truly enjoy watching these ladies on the big screen and tv. Beautiful. Talented. Smart. Enjoying life. I always look forward to seeing them and supporting their efforts.

    I’m a little bothered by Gabby & Sanaa’s generalizing all black women run blogs as negative. Especially since they don’t hold Perez accountable for his gossip, nor any of the popular gossip source sites (Page Six, TMZ, etc). I only read 2 or 3 blogs and avoid many, many others, but every black women run blog article I’ve ever read about these ladies were positive, highlighting their talent & beauty.

  23. All these sistas saying that they shouldn’t take things so “seriously” need to shut the hell up! I hate these type of negative women; when as soon as you look at them wrong they ready to fight. Imagine people talking trash about you and you can not do anything about it. Most of yall are a bunch of hipocrites. Take the time to understand where others are coming from. Who cares if white people tear each other down too. Since when are they the “blueprint” of unity? We have to support one another because No one else will. I commend and admire these women for being aware of how important it is to portray black women will dignity and grace. All yall others, get a clue, and realize that this is a white world and the only way we are going to get anywhere, is if we support one another. The ones that hate, hate because they do not want anything “extra” out of life. When you aspire to achieve something in life, you can identify with people who have made it. That is why you have to surround yourself with positive people who want the same things. People like some of you will never obtain anything. GAME recognize GAME.

  24. These sisters are making moves!

    :iagree: with blacksista. Why are we always comparing ourselves to white people and what they do? How about developing our own damn standards to live by? Because following them isn’t working for us.

  25. @ Blacksita

    lol here

    Please make me understand ,call me out if i’m wrong! we should support in the entertainment or politically arena because their our own also should we set aside or Morals @ Convictions, and follow blindly ?

    This is one of my biggest pet peeve about this issue which has come up as of lately on this board . In so many words some of you that’s are on this board making personal attacks ,downright being nasty because some don’t agree on a certain topic or have a difference of opinion.they can say whats ever on their mind regardless you agree with them or not It

    In reading your comments i find it ironic when dignity and unity come up ! On a recent topic in which it is still up i didn’t see “Unity nor Dignity ” in none of those comments.

    Is isn’t any better on this topic itself where the words “Ugly” and comments” they have no life “and other nasty suggests are being thwarted about.So i would call that being a “Hypocrite”and Hypocritical

    Before some tell others what they need to do get you S**t straight.Their is no unity we you can accept someone difference’s of opinion

    Just giving my 2 cent’s

  26. “If we can’t be straight with each other at the Barbershop, then where can we be?”

    i.e. Why can’t we gossip about our own? Why is it a race thing? Why isn’t it just that, hey you are a celeb, in the spotlight, we’re interested in you and oh, yeah, if we want to gossip about you we will? Why do we have to ‘hold’ one another up? We can’t ‘comment’ on these folks? There starruhs; they WILL be talked about, good and bad and all in between.

  27. @Blacksista

    I see it’s like pot calling the kettle black, you talking about you hate these kind of negative women or calling somebody a hypocrite, yet you come up here with your trash talking just because we don’t neccessarily agree with what these women say. I understand what those women are talking about, I know what it feels like and I’m sure you do too. Anybody that lives in this damn world should know what it feels like to be talked about. Still if we have enough faith in God then we shouldn’t let those type of negative things bring us down. Ignorance is in every race and people are going to hate on you no matter if you’re black or white etc and no matter if they’re black or white etc. You cannot change that, I cannot change that, Gabrielle, Sanaa, and Nia cannot change that especially if folks are on the internet talking. Imagine what Jesus went through when he was nailed to the cross, spit on, and talked about, yet he shed his blood, asked his father to forgive them for they know not what they do and pay the price for everybodys sins. Since he went through all of that as perfect as he is, then tell me who are we? Everybody’s going to have thier friends and their backstabbers, celebrities are going to have thier stans and their haters. I’m speaking the truth it is what it is, this is not a perfect world.
    I admire these decent black women too for not portraying in any negative roles and playing themselves cheap just to get a quick buck, but they have to realize that sometimes decent people get ridiculed just for well..being decent but the ones that are doing the naysaying are the ones that aren’t about nothing and doesn’t want to and wish that those women were just like them…ignorant with nothing going for themselves. Satan will always throw his darts but God is still in control. Blacksista this is NOT a white world. God didn’t create this world for white people, he created it for everybody. Nobody’s in control but yet some people let others take control. Yes we have to support one another and I see that alot in the black community started from churches to schools to organizations etc. but you have to realize that every black person is not down for the cause, they’re not going to support one another but they’re “friends” and leave the others alone. I’m speaking reality not talking fantasy. You say you hate negative women, we’ll don’t you know you’re being just as negative saying that you hate somebody that you don’t even know? It’s really people like you that won’t obtain anything when you’re being a hypocrite. I know the game and how to play it, but Real recognizes Real.

  28. @ Whoever

    It’s cool that you dont agree with me, I have no problem with that. Just to set the record STRAIGHT, I haven’t made any negatives comments about any celebs on this site (not even one, so you can go look up whatever you want). YOU dont know what you are talking about. I have no time to come online and dog people out ;that has never been my style. It is not that serious especially if I dont know you personally. That is it. No need to waste your time typing up one hundred word essay worth a response.

    Blacksista!

  29. [quote comment=”15815″]ALL THESE LADIES LOOK BEAUTIFUL IN THE EDITION OF ESSENCE MAGAZINE 🙂

    BUT SOMEHOW, AND IT’S JUST (MY OPINION) GABRIELLE UNION IS NOT CONSIDERD AN ACTRESS TO ME. IT’S SOMETHING ABOUT HER THAT I JUST CAN’T SEEM TO PUT MY FINGER ON RIGHT NOW. :hmph: SHE JUST SEEMS SO FAKE TO ME. :roll:[/quote]

    :iagree: :iagree: For some reason, I cannot stand Gabrielle Union. She just seems to have an air of superiority, yet she has yet to show any real depth or range in any of her movies. But I do love Nia Long and Sanaa is my favorite.

  30. DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN! It gets hot up in herr I see! That other post on Beyonce dish tv was a pop pop poppin :lol2: Everybody in this world is a hypocrite so stop it. We ALL have days where we may switch gears or opinion on a topic or person based on our mood, upbringing, personal experience or belief system. HUMAN BEINGS ARE FICKLE GET OVER IT.

    Each and every one of you/us are hypocritical so stop pointing fingers. you a hypocite no you a hypocrite I hate that damn word and how people just throw it around like they never spoke out two sides of their mouth.

    :iagree: yall need to :stop: with the 30,000 word essays this ain’t a PHD program :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
    :iagree: Gabrielle Union is not that great of an actress. She LOOKS like she’s acting. Nia Long and Sanaa Lathan flow more NATURAL on screen.

  31. Blacksista

    You don’t need to worry about how many words I’m typing. I’ll type a two-hundred word essay if I can get my point across. That’s good you don’t say negative things about other celebs, neither do I(we’ll most of the time I don’t) but if you have a valid reason then it’s okay to state your opinion on them whether they like it or not. However you might not say negative things about celebs but you did say negative things about people on here including me, that you don’t even know or seen. That’s just as bad as talking about people that you have seen. It looks like you don’t know what you’re talking about. Peace.

  32. Please lets not turn this thread into Boynce dish T.V Fiasco with all those personal attacks. 🙁 🙁 🙁
    Hell write your 3 page essay or you one word statement it ‘s your right .Nobody should half to walk on egg shells for nobody on this board who want to post their opinion

    regardless if you like it or not lets act like we have common sense and show some respect to one another

  33. Thank you for posting this. I didn’t know this issue was coming out. I’m very intersted in reading it; particularly as I plan to highlight all three women soon on theblackactor. But from one I read above, sadly it is nothing new. It is disheartening that this persists for us. I plan to talk about this, too, eventually. Black women have it the worst in Hollywood. The absolute worst. 🙁

  34. Well Ms Tina I agree, but damn yall were pissing me off. You enjoy an article and then folks just pick people apart over silly shit when they probably sitting at home looking like hot :booty:

    Oh yeah, dont get it twisted I always know what I am “talking” about because I speak the truth! 😆

  35. Tres Chic Style is proud to admit that our blog does not intentionally or purposely set out to maliciously attack any celebrity -Black or White.
    However, because fashion is our forte…..We will post and review celebrity looks/styles and call you out if need be….
    And for the record Gabby…there are several blogs written by Black Women like myself that actually applaud your talent, beauty grace and style minus the “malicious gossip”.

  36. First off all Gabrielle Union need to stop it, gossip is gossip. What is she saying that it’s okay when the White media do it but not the Black media. She’s the one putting herself out there to keep her name in the public so that people wont forget about her. She goes out with the intension of getting into the papers. So please Gabrielle Union, why don’t you stay home & people simply wont talk about you. I hate when people are calling Black people out for something that every other race is doing. Don’t worry so much about being in the media, people are not that crazy about you.

  37. Please do us all a favor and take down any pictures and or posting of Gabrielle Union, she does not need the publicity. Sanaa & Nia look BEAUTIFUL. I don’t know who that third person in the picture is.

  38. whoever the owner of this site is, can you PLEASE MAKE SURE TO KEEP IT UP TO DATE. I have gone to other site & see new pictures that I have yet to see here. And also, can PLEASE MAKE SURE TO KEEP IT RUNING PROPERLY, I hate comming and getting “THIS SITE CANNOT BE DISPLAYED”. I really hate that.

  39. That is the most immature response: the people who are “hating” on others or picking them apart are most likely ugly and fat. Is no one allowed to have an opinion anymore? I know plenty of attractive people who still pick celebrities apart–or even just regular people, so how is “hating” the sole province of “ugly, fat people”?

  40. [quote comment=”15998″]whoever the owner of this site is, can you PLEASE MAKE SURE TO KEEP IT UP TO DATE. I have gone to other site & see new pictures that I have yet to see here. And also, can PLEASE MAKE SURE TO KEEP IT RUNING PROPERLY, I hate comming and getting “THIS SITE CANNOT BE DISPLAYED”. I really hate that.[/quote]
    My site has had 100% uptime all day long. If you were getting an error it was your computer- not my site. As for keeping the site up to date, I post what I want to post, not what other sites post and so far it seems to work to me. Plus, if you have seen photos somewhere else you don’t really need to see them here, now do you?

  41. I am sad that talented actresses like Sanaa, Nia and Gabrielle go through situations contrangedoras, they are good people, talented not suffer both deserved to win your area, I see white actresses like Lindsay Lohan, Winona Ryder comment that is protected by numerous errors midia, although to me comentaem errors horrible that demonstrate their lack of character as are forgiven and it is really very sad that actresses like Sanaa, Nia, Gabrielle, have to fight so much and others that are so indginas of recognition of what they come to success so fast and so indgina!
    One more thing I love this site I am a fan of Sanaa little time to a year, more information always think of it here, and rezo before it can grow in Hollywood, for me Sanaa is a true star, it is a person worthy of and character as wonderful person.

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